from shotokan to kyokushin

[evergrey]

Oh yes, we have plenty of katas we must practice, and that are required for ranking. I totally see the use and importance of kata!

[aiHung_Champion]

To evergrey: You talk about Kyokushin and Mas Oyama like your own think, it not true. If you have read Essential Karate, the book of Mas Oyama, you can see what he talked about Kata.

To Soheir: You're right

Have fun.

[Dobbersky]

To evergrey: You talk about Kyokushin and Mas Oyama like your own think, it not true. If you have read Essential Karate, the book of Mas Oyama, you can see what he talked about Kata.

To Soheir: You're right

Have fun.

Kyokushin and Oyama Sensei (Choi Baedal his Korean Name), are one, the book has been written for the masses and is an Instructional book ONLY!!!!

If you read any Philosophical books by Oyama Sensei, you will see a different Concept of the karate and the kata.

[bushido_man96]

He did not highlight katas. In his own training or his teaching. But he did practise them a lot and they have always been a part of Kyokushin that you can not take away. Katas represent a big part of karates budo aspect, and if budo is taken away, it is no longer real karate. There is still different versions of all the katas.

I think that this is debateable. I think that when some aspect of training is adhered to for so long, and then someone decides to try something new without it, it freaks people out, and they don't like to refer to it as "real" anymore, when I don't think this is necessarily the case.

[evergrey]

I only tell you what I have been told by those who trained with him.

[isshinryu5toforever]

He did not highlight katas. In his own training or his teaching. But he did practise them a lot and they have always been a part of Kyokushin that you can not take away. Katas represent a big part of karates budo aspect, and if budo is taken away, it is no longer real karate. There is still different versions of all the katas.

I think that this is debateable. I think that when some aspect of training is adhered to for so long, and then someone decides to try something new without it, it freaks people out, and they don't like to refer to it as "real" anymore, when I don't think this is necessarily the case.

When you're talking about the Budo aspect of Japanese Karate, kata aren't very debatable. That's pretty much their purpose. The aesthetic perfection of every single technique in a kata is the lifetime goal of someone that does Budo. Kata, kumite, and kihon are not as linked in Japanese Karate as they are in Okinawan. That isn't to say a link doesn't exist, it just isn't as prevalent in my experience. Once you take away kata, Japanese Karate's kumite, Kyokushin's in particular, becomes more akin to kick boxing, specifically because they have modified their methods throughout the years, and Muay Thai has been a big influence on Kyokushin's sparring.

[evergrey]

I know he didn't want to remove kata, no! It just wasn't his strong point. But he had people doing them every day. So. :} I think they are good. I think kumite is good. I think drilling is good. Even the dreaded tons and tons of "on the knuckle" push-ups are good. And all of it must be PRACTICED!

OSU!

Oh gods I am turning into my Shihan! *waits for red mustache to sprout*

[shorin4life]

i do understand your sparring desires. when i was in shotokan i felt that it wasnt so practical. now its to say i didnt learn to read a persons movements and avoid attacks where it LOOKS to me that you dont avoid to many attacks. now thats tough because muscle memory plays a huge role in martial arts and id rather not train myself to take hits but avoid them. i believe kyokushin is an amazing style but if a person pulls a knife on you at night and you cant see well i think taking the attack isnt wise. now i dont practice kyokushin but i want to train my body to move. please correct me if im wrong. but kyokushin is still a style id like to spar with. i believe with all my avoiding attacks that sparring someone prepaired to take an attack is alot more frightening then someone that'll avoid them just the same.

[pinoy_1]

I definetely agree with you, shorin4life. Man, thats what im thinking.. i dunno how i will take the punches and kicking for 3 minutes.. Its a challenge but i dunno what kind of techniques i can get on that barrage of punches, they dont even block.

But much respect to kyokushin. I'd like to try it out also.

[evergrey]

Haha, we block! We would still prefer to not get hit. We just like to try to condition our bodies to soak the strikes we DON'T manage to avoid!

As for going on the attack in a knife fight... better to get away if you can.

My sensei was once attacked by two guys whilst delivering pizzas, when he was younger. One of them had a knife. He managed to not get himself stabbed, and the guys did eventually run off. He ended up with a dislocated shoulder that developed calcifications in the joint. The injury eventually required surgery. Always get yourself out of a confrontation WITHOUT taking it to physical violence if you can!

Just try to be ready if you don't have any other choice. ;}