Jiu Jitsu, highly effective stand up.

[sojobo]

But, they are required more and more at higher levels. But, the Aikido school doesn't like striking, either, and I still do it, so I'll probably take these on as I get more time in, too.

I'll do it, but I don't have to like it!

As well, you may start to like it when you begin to see the end results.

It does take time though.

Sojobo

[bushido_man96]

I doubt it, but we'll see.

[bushido_man96]

I don't have a problem at all with historic preservation. I do have a problem when those preserving history like that then argue for its effectiveness of efficency after its time has passed.

I believe you can do both - you just need to train hard and have a very good sensei.

Sojobo

I don't agree that both can be done. There are better ways to accomplish some things than others. Its like driving a Model T to get from point a to b in comparison to driving a Cadillac of today. They can both get you there, but the Cadillac is much more efficient.

[sojobo]

Ah well!,

Maybe I am a little further down the road (in my Model T), but to each their own.

[edit] And as they say, its not the getting there that is the thing.... it's the journey.

Sojobo

[bushido_man96]

Journey, yes. One can meander about, or one can have a map and a goal.

Yes, to each their own, for sure. But, not all things are equal.

[sojobo]

Journey, yes. One can meander about, or one can have a map and a goal.

Yes, to each their own, for sure. But, not all things are equal.

I hate the thought of being equal - I think it is good to think outside of the box.

Learning from the Journey is one thing - meandering is another.

Sojobo.

[ps1]

I don't have a problem at all with historic preservation. I do have a problem when those preserving history like that then argue for its effectiveness of efficency after its time has passed.

Ditto!

[sojobo]

As I said,

I believe you can do both - you just need to train hard and have a very good sensei.

Sojobo

[ps1]

As I said,

I believe you can do both - you just need to train hard and have a very good sensei.

Sojobo

It's easy to say that about something like aikido. However, let's talk about iaido. While the mindset that is required to master the art is quite useful to anyone, the martial movements are quite antiquated. Is that to say they are fruitless... no... far from. However, the art will not help you much in a fight today. This is because there is no aliveness in the art. I believe that, in dissecting aikido will give you the same result.

This is a video of Morihei Ueshiba performing "no touch" moves. ^

I'll never believe in any art that tells its practitioners you can cause bodily harm while making no contact with the opponent.

[bushido_man96]

I agee ps1, I don't buy it either.

As I said,

I believe you can do both - you just need to train hard and have a very good sensei.

Sojobo

Perhaps this is the case. But, you can look down the road (since we are talking about a journey) of each, and see which gets you to where you want to be faster, i.e., being able to defend yourself effectively, or what have you.

Now, that isn't to say that "I want my Martial Arts in a Happy Meal bag, ready to go right now, so I can have it and be done with it." That's not what I am saying. When it comes to discussions like this, the proponents of the "lifelong journey" often make cases of getting somewhere fast, and then not having a foundation to build on, or they think they've found it all, and have nothing left to search out. That just isn't the case. The case is that when training is efficient and focused, then by arriving at one place in the journey sooner, allows one to continue down other avenues sooner. I don't like to put it all into a time frame, but the fact that time matters is a point that really can't be argued. There are only so many hours in a day, and we can only do so much, and eventually, our time runs out. So, time is a factor, unfortunately.

I have no problems with anyone who wants to delve into cultural ideals and historic bases of different MA disciplines. But I do think that the fact of the matter is that there are some disciplines that have changed and updated their training routines and regimines that do make their learning curve smaller, and therefore, may be a more efficient training method.