Has any one purchased Lloyd Irvin Products? did you like it?

[Adonis]

Have any of you purchased Lloyd Irvin Products before? And if so what do you think of them?

I have purchased several my favorite would be the Mastering the Triangle choke (Ryan Hall) It is no longer for sale I believe. however Ryan went on his own and did his own triangle dvd with I believe world martial arts.

Any way I loved this product not just the detailed instruction in the dvd's but the audio cd's were great as well. Talking about competion experience and what to do going against tight guard passers, leg lockers, bigger guys, open division, fast passers, werstlers and many other people and diffrent types of ways to get the triangle choke. I never put much thought in learning from an audio cd for Jiu-Jitsu. However Ryan hall does such a good job conveying how to maintain or reposition back into the triangle I was really impressed.

They had a work book with pic's on the triangle as well.

The others I Liked were Mike Fowlers game plan, and his hafa adi dvd.

Also have his nogi made easy course that was pretty good.

Probably my least favorite would be pilates for grapplers.

Any one have an opinion on Lloyd Irvin's products?

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Haven't purchased anything of his. I saw some of Hall's stuff on youtube and thought it was good stuff.

I was at a tourney and saw Lloyd's guys competing. Specifically JT Torres. The guy was impressive. However, Lloyd was actively recruiting guys from other schools at that tourney. I just feel that's kind of wrong. He recruited a guy from a RGDA school near us. The next month, the guy won the mundials under Lloyds name. So, while his stuff and guys may be good. I don't support him because I don't agree with his ethics.

[Adonis]

I had several of his products its mostly his students though. JT Tores, Paul Green hill, Mike Fowler, and when Ryan Hall was with Lloyd Irvin.

What did he do to recruit guys from other gyms? I heard that accusation before but haven't heard any instructors accuse him out rite of stealing their students away.

I only seen one vid Lloyd teaching. You would have to fast forward past the infomerical to get to him actually teaching. Its a basic American, Straight armlock, Kimura flow series from Side control. He does a good job explaining it and the details of the move.

I like his products over all. However I thought Ryan Hall does the best job in conveying the details and setups of moves. Actually he is probably the best instructor I have seen in explaining how moves work so every one else can understand them. Just my opinion.

[JiuJitsuNation]

Lloyd does recruit all the time. There is a school in my area under him and they do the same thing locally. Many schools lack loyalty. I think the whole competition aspect is one of the variables behind this.

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What did he do to recruit guys from other gyms? I heard that accusation before but haven't heard any instructors accuse him out rite of stealing their students away.

I'm not sure exactly what he does. I can only assume he sees someone he feels has potential and approaches them about joining his team. I'm not sure if he pays them or offers sponsorships or some other arrangement.

Fact is, it's not totally his fault. The guys he approaches have the right to say no. So he must be offering something they want. I just don't like the practice of it.

[Adonis]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I appreciate it. Thats a bummer he is doing that. I thought maybe they would approach him. He is very good at marketing. Definetly helped Ryan Hall out and his other guys in getting there name out there.

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I thought maybe they would approach him.

This may happen as well. Like I said, I'm not totally sure of the criteria

[JiuJitsuNation]

He employs and houses them. He really offers them the ability to just do jiu jitsu and surrounds them with the environment that is all jiu jitsu all the time. On top of that he seems to have a real eye for talent and work ethic. He has the means. Hes a great coach on the mats and in business.

[isshinryu5toforever]

That sounds like a sweet deal. Almost like being an uchi deshi, except less indentured servitude-y.

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He employs and houses them. He really offers them the ability to just do jiu jitsu and surrounds them with the environment that is all jiu jitsu all the time. On top of that he seems to have a real eye for talent and work ethic. He has the means. Hes a great coach on the mats and in business.

This is good info. I never quite knew exactly how he worked things. It's a sweet deal. I can see why someone would want to do it.