Throws in Karate

[honoluludesktop]

IMO Karateka do not generally get to practice enough throwing to get as good as a judoka. So we should do the easiest ones. Any throw that requires a frontal approach must be very fast, or unexpected, not to get countered. Sweeps are at range, and often do do not require holding. Osoto gari, is close in from the side, a position that often naturally happens with side step techniques.

Something that I have seen work in competition (and street fighting) is when close frontal contact naturally occurs, one side squats, grabs the other person's legs, lifts them off the ground, then throwing the other on his back. If you are Cung Le, you would hold higher and throw him over your head:-) Though not a technique easily mastered by Karateka.

[Virgil Damian]

IMO Karateka do not generally get to practice enough throwing to get as good as a judoka. So we should do the easiest ones. Any throw that requires a frontal approach must be very fast, or unexpected, not to get countered. Sweeps are at range, and often do do not require holding. Osoto gari, is close in from the side, a position that often naturally happens with side step techniques.

Something that I have seen work in competition (and street fighting) is when close frontal contact naturally occurs, one side squats, grabs the other person's legs, lifts them off the ground, then throwing the other on his back. If you are Cung Le, you would hold higher and throw him over your head:-) Though not a technique easily mastered by Karateka.

Hmmm yeah agreed. The only thing I don't like about Karate in general is that during Kumite practice, instructors don't generally teach throws. And that's funny, since a throw followed by a strike is worth 3 points. Plus it looks cool.

[honoluludesktop]

I did judo as a child, and if you don't have the mats, falling is very dangerous. Judo practice always began by taking break-falls. Can't imaging a karateka doing 15-20 minuets of falling before beginning practice. When you think about it, in the manner of judoka, perhaps we should start practice by taking hits from each other, by taking turns holding a bag against our bodies while the other hits. Perhaps we would be mentally more resistant to contact, by conditioning our bodies in this way.

There just isn't enough time in a class to practice everything. The best competitors that throw, are usually very experienced, and practice a lot on their own. Biamonti has a fantastic reverse kick, and uses it to gain opening to throws.

[Virgil Damian]

I just saw the video, it's way awesome. And he does it like it's nothing too!

[Dobbersky]

I know in my club we have 2 throwing kata and we practice throwing and breakfalling regularly to keep students on top of break falling.

I've only been in one Karate club where throws have not been used as part of the training although breakfalling was learned from Jujitsu and Aikido training.

[kamahlthedruid]

I think the fighter in the blue shorts uses muay thai and judo throws!

[bushido_man96]

The best competitors that throw, are usually very experienced, and practice a lot on their own. Biamonti has a fantastic reverse kick, and uses it to gain opening to throws.

I liked the way the throws were set up. Getting to practice something like that would be a lot of fun.

On another note, I wasn't impressed by his celebratory actions after scoring a point. How is that different than from what many run down MMAers for doing?

Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

[bushido_man96]

I think the fighter in the blue shorts uses muay thai and judo throws!

I think those are more along the lines of the typical throws they learn in Muay Thai, as opposed to being "Judo" throws.

[likeke34]

The best competitors that throw, are usually very experienced, and practice a lot on their own. Biamonti has a fantastic reverse kick, and uses it to gain opening to throws.

I liked the way the throws were set up. Getting to practice something like that would be a lot of fun.

On another note, I wasn't impressed by his celebratory actions after scoring a point. How is that different than from what many run down MMAers for doing?

Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

i agree about the post scoring celebration... when ever i compete internationally i experience this amongst competitors... not saying it doesn't happen here, but just from personal experience in wkf competition, it gets taken to a whole new level because they want to win so bad... i've had guys scream at the judges for a call they thought was wrong, refuse to bow or shake hands after they lose, storm off, coaches getting involved and ready to fight the refs... i've never really experienced these things in ippon kumite... it's sad in my opinion that karate competition is now turning this way...

it's like karate competitors are going the exact opposite of what Funakoshi said, "The ultimate aim of the art of karate lies not in victory or defeat, but in the perfection of the characters of its participants." but now they are more concerned w/victory and defeat, rather than perfecting their character... as corny as that sounds lol