Jiu Jitsu, Judo and BJJ

[sojobo]

Hello,

As mentioned earlier, if you want to understand where Judo (and subsequent arts) came from, it is good to look at the older Koryu Bujtsu for clues.

The oldest codified system of Jujutsu is that of Takenouchi-ryu (founded in 1532). Although classified as a "sogo" bujutsu (or comprehensive system (including various weapons teaching)), unlike its predecessors, it is best known for its armed and unarmed Jujutsu techniques including throws, joint locks, grappling and choking etc.

This school went on to influence a number of later Koryu - two of which were studied in depth by Kano namely:

Tenjin Shinyo-ryu (founded 1830):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenjin_Shiny%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB

And Kito-ryu (founded early 1600's)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit%C5%8D-ry%C5%AB

The latter has more throwing, joint locks and chokes in its curriculum.

An important thing to note however is that the throws locks, chokes and grappling of earlier arts like Takenouchi-ryu and Kito-ryu were predominantly designed for (and therefore practiced against) oponents in full armor.

Sojobo.

Edited September 25, 2010 by sojobo

[ps1]

Good stuff. Master Palhares And Master Sauer came up together from what I understand. Luiz trained under Rolls until he died and then Carlos for a while. He then started training with Rickson and taught at Ricksons school for a few years. Different family members focus on different thing although for the most part you will find the sport BJJ, Vale Tudo and self defense aspects in most every school.

Oh yeah certainly! I think you'll see that within each academy today too. That's part of the beauty of BJJ. Two people can train together for many years and have a very different way of applying the same moves. And it's considered good, not frowned upon.

Did Master Palhares train with Carlos Jr after the death of Rolls? It's my understanding that many of Rolls' students chose to train with Carlos Jr afterward. Have you heard the same thing, seems like you're in a better position to know that half of the history.

[JiuJitsuNation]

Yes junior. Carlinhos! I've trained with him and many of his Barra black belts. All great guys. Really helpful with great attitudes.

[sojobo]

Hi Guys,

Managed to find some pretty decent Takenouchi-ryu vids, I hope you enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wCQS6a530g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQRImrjv9Xs&feature=related

Sojobo

[ps1]

Yes junior. Carlinhos! I've trained with him and many of his Barra black belts. All great guys. Really helpful with great attitudes.

We had a student travel to Chicago and train at a Barra school there while on vacation. He said they were great guys and were very easy to get along with.

To that end, I really haven't met very many good BJJ practitioners that didn't welcome another practitioner with open arms. We've got a pretty good community out there.

[JiuJitsuNation]

Yes junior. Carlinhos! I've trained with him and many of his Barra black belts. All great guys. Really helpful with great attitudes.

We had a student travel to Chicago and train at a Barra school there while on vacation. He said they were great guys and were very easy to get along with.

To that end, I really haven't met very many good BJJ practitioners that didn't welcome another practitioner with open arms. We've got a pretty good community out there.

Yes sir! I agree!