Shannon a butcher???

[ZakariRu]

So Isreal aircraft bombing an apartment building and killing 13+ people (9 of which were children) to get to one Palistiny militant, seems a bit shady to me. Any one else?

 

What are you guys opininons on the entire pali/isy conflict.

 

Very curious as too an opinion from our U.K. and Australian buddies to see if they tell you guys anything different. (All most all news is portrayed to make the people of Palistine always look like they deserved it in america)

[shotochem]

The "militant you are refering to was the leader of HAMAS!!! He was personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent poeple through terrorist actions. The people knew who he was they should not have been near him.

 

If Bin Laden were sitting in the middle of an orphanage I would hit it with a missle.

 

The world would be a better place.

 

The ends justify the means...........

 

 

[monkeygirl]

I think efforts should be made to keep civilian casualties to a minimum, but remember people, we are at war, and things happen.

 

Also remember: President Bush declared war on terrorism, and also said that anyone who harbored terrorists were our enemies.

 

The death of children is wrong, but in some militaries, the soldiers ARE the children.

 

I don't have all the details on this particular event (I didn't even know that it had happened), so I'm not going to get specific and determine whether or not it was justified.

 

 

[ZakariRu]

wait so 9 5-11 year olds can say wait I dont want to live with a terrorist~!~~!!!? Thats right no they can't.

 

 

[ckdstudent]

Often these people are held as hostages at gun point, trying to call our bluff.

 

Both sides are equally responsible.

 

 

[G95champ]

Not to say its right but an eye for and eye. Sucide bombs kill kids too. Its not a good situation but at leas the Isrealies do hit legit targets and not shopping center and bus stations.

 

 

[Taikudo-ka]

"If Bin Laden were sitting in the middle of an orphanage I would hit it with a missle.

 

The world would be a better place.

 

The ends justify the means........... "

 

Well guys, I hate to say this, and I'm not directing it at Shotochem in particular, but this attitude is exactly the reason you guys got attacked. I could not express it better.

 

Most people disagree with your assessment, some more strongly than others. Particularly those who've been victim of the "means". I know a LOT of middle eastern people and they universally believe that Palestine has been given a raw deal, and that it is Israel that is the terrorist nation. They are extremely upset at America's unquestioning support of Israel, despite continuous acts showing they are no better than the Palestinians when it comes to violence and mayhem and killing innocent people.

 

Does the US realize exactly what they've put their foot in here? I'd suggest you start with the Book of Joshua, Judges, and perhaps also Chronicles of the Kings (Old Testament Bible). You'll see exactly how long (about 3000 years) violence between Israelites and Palestinians (aka Philistines, Caananites, etc) has been going on. Poor old Hebron has been disputed ground for WAY too long. Also, can you tell who the original aggressor was?

 

[ This Message was edited by: Taikudo-ka on 2002-08-01 22:39 ]

[Taikudo-ka]

"The "militant you are refering to was the leader of HAMAS!!! He was personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent poeple through terrorist actions. The people knew who he was they should not have been near him. "

 

So can you explain how, by in turn killing innocent people to get back at this HAMAS leader, you are any better or different than he is? Is it because you are "good" and he is "evil"?

 

Think of how pi$$ed off you were after September 11. I've NEVER seen the US so pi$$ed off before. Now imagine, this is how angry a Palestinian man gets every time an Israeli bomb with "Proudly made in the USA" stamped on the side demolishes half his house, killing his wife, children, and elderly mother.

[G95champ]

The thing is that Palestien would get their own country IF they would stop the attacks. President Bush has already said he would back and Palestienan state if they would stop. But for some unknow reason they don't understand that.

 

Also if we were at war or at least being attack monthly or weekly like Iseral and the PLO do to each other we would not have been upset. I mean yeah we would be mad cause our people died but at the same time thats what happens when your in war.

 

Only thing I know is its a good thing for the PLO we (USA) is not letting Iseral do what they want to do. If we let the dog off its chain you can bet they will be cleaning up bodies for years. Seems like you read the Bible and since you have you know Iseral is going to win. So thank the USA for not letting them do it now.

 

 

[G95champ]

Original people in the Holly land.

 

Well lets backtrack

 

After WWII Iserael is given Nation status by Great Britian.

 

Great Britian claimed the land after WWI from the Ottoman Empire.

 

The Ottoman Empire came to power roughly 1600AD. However Musslim influence which led to it had been arround sicne the start of Islam in 600AD. Durring that entire time you have the Crusades led by England and France.

 

Arround the mid 1200 AD the Mongals under Gingus Khan even raid the Holly land.

 

1000AD is about the time the Byzantine Empire or the former Eastren Roman Empire starts to fall apart. They had been their about 500 years.

 

Rome had the area as one Rome 100BC to 500 c. AD when ever the empire split.

 

However durring Roman rule Jews still ruled Jews. Although taxes were paid to Rome.

 

Before the Romans you have the Macedonians or Greeks or more So Alexander the Great and his Empire.

 

The Greeks and Alex the Great took that Land from Persia in the Persian Wars.

 

Befor we had a unified Persiar the Holly Land is more or less under Egytian rule. Which takes us back a few thousand years.

 

Before Egypt you have dozens of small kingdoms many of these also overlap with Egypt. Most famous being the Babylon.

 

Before that you more or less have groups of people roaming arround. Most people teach that the first civilization was in the Fertil Cressant which is between the Tigrus and Euphrates in presant day Iraq.

 

So to make the point I don't think anyone can claim it. Based on who was there at one time or another. However if you study the Old Testament as Jews, Christians and even Mussliams you will know GOD. The same GOD all 3 major religons serve gave the land to Iseral. Same Bible also says God helps those who help themselves. So if the PLO would stop the attacks Iseral would stop their counter attacks and God would help them get a state.