Martial Art Fights!

[shuriken_girl]

I saw the first fight only. All I gotta say is it's not really worth watching. The MMA guy throws the kung fu guy to the ground as soon as he's attacked, and the kung fu guy scrambles under MMA's grip for two minutes until you hear a soft crack of one of kung fu guy's bones in the end. MMA gains an easy win. Kung-fu had no idea what to do when pinned down; he either had no experience or he was dumb.

 

Uninteresting fight.

[taezee]

watching the taekwondo vs muy thai fight..first off there is an obvious mis match..the muy thai fighter is obviously seasoned while the taekwondo fighter even though wearing a red belt seems to be more of a yellow belt in his technique..i dont believe him to be at red belt level..and in seeing videos such as this one fight now everybodys going to be like "you see taekwon do cant do anything' do you really believe this individual represents a taekwondo fighter?? I think not..overall i found it entertaining..but a misrepresentation of taekwondo

 

 

[ramcalgary]

what is with people fighting over style vs style.

 

it all depends on the fighters

 

every style has its good points so why argue that my style is the best. like little kids saying my dad can beat up your dad

 

 

[rabid hamster]

Muay thai, BJJ, etc, are good for fighting because of the way they train... I wish traditional arts would update their training methods.

[taezee]

 

 

every style has its good points so why argue that my style is the best. like little kids saying my dad can beat up your dad

 

 

i have used the same phrase over and over here..and it is true the individual makes the art..one example you may have heard was that wing chun practictioners where made fun of ..called fairies or gay before bruce lee came on the secne..because it was invented by a woman..after witnessing what he developed with his art all the sudden everyone wanted to study wing chun..

 

 

[Martial_Artist]

I saw both of those video clips. Quite frankly I don't see the point. What is the point in even referring to those clips? Is something trying to be proven? If so, what? You need to clarify your purpose better in order to be better understood. Perhaps we don't all see in the same light as you do, Tapout.

 

The clips provide inconclusive data to form a basis for any judgement other than, more material should be viewed before a judgement made.

 

The first fight, as real as it looks, also looks as if could have been staged. The grappler moved his leg in synch with the kung fu guy in the opening manuever and they both moved together. Coincidence, possibly. Just a thought, perhaps an abstract observation looking too deep into the video. (Problem is, I've seen plenty of faked videos on the net) Second the fight isn't really a fight. It's a wrestling match.

 

The first video is clearly not a prime example of style vs style (which is pointless in itself), but an excellent example of mismatched opponents. I'm sure the skinny Kung-Fu guy was not matched to the built grappler. So judge the art??????? Incompetent judging if that is your basis.

 

The video disclosed nothing of interest nor proved anything conclusive. Verdict: useless video without anything to substantiate its authenticity; or further complimentary videos.

 

The second video is a promo video for a Muay Thai club. First rule when viewing a promotional video: the video is biased and been prepared to highlight their goods. The video was chosen because it pit a semi-experienced Muay Thai fighter against an obviously inexperienced TKD fighter.

 

To the untrained, an uneducated mind, this fight is very interesting. Muay Thai comes across as very powerful. But viewed in true light, the video does nothing more than show the outcome of an experienced fighter fighting an inexperienced fighter; and has no bearing on art/style. Another boring video. For reason plenty, the video does not concretely prove anything. Only to the mind without wide knowledge of the martial arts would this video come across as, "Muay Thai is vastly superior to TKD." Because, the untrained, uneducated martial arts mind, would not notice the subtle clues poignant in the clip. Thus, Muay Thai, in the video, is vastly superior to TKD so that the Muay Thai club can gather more students, especially those who have no knowledge of the martial arts. It's a very simple advertising technique. Show the uneducated something that appears solid and they will buy. (Think detergent commercials. Without any knowledge of what detergent does, how impressive it is when a guy cleans his heavily-stained clothes in a bowl with a spoon in 15min.)

 

So that video does nothing.

 

The videos have very little entertainment value, and no education value. There is nothing to be learned by watching the videos.

 

Watching the KungFu/Grappler video does not teach us that grappling is far greater than kungfu.

 

Watching the MuayThai/TKD video does not teach us that Muay Thai is far greater than TKD.

 

Neither of the videos do anything constructive.

 

Tapout, nothing personal, but you don't sound like you understand much about the martial arts. Certainly, I don't know you, so to make such an assumption is quite presumptuous, but I will forego that faux pax.

 

What are you trying to prove? And to whom? Has someone offended you and you seek recompensance here? Why the angst? Perhaps, in a matter-of-fact manner you would like to explain why such is better than such?

 

I have never known a coherent/logical statement to come from a mouth of anger.

 

Do you feel threatened in any way? Why so hard on the defensive? Do people's opinions matter that much to you? Why?

 

Also, what does it matter if kungfu is lesser than MMA, or MuayThai greater than TKD? I think you have missed the essence of martial arts. Perhaps you fight for glory in the 'octagon', perhaps your definition of a great martial artist, or the best type of martial artist, is one who can hold is own in a NHB fight.

 

Just out of curiosity, what makes NHB fights so pivotal? Why does entering one mean so much? Does fighting in an NHB match make you a "real" martial artist?

 

Personally, I find NHB fights extremely boring and lacking any real user-value. This may offend you, but I don't care. A NHB fighter wrestles, he grapples. He, speaking very generally, limits himself to just that. My friend, limiting yourself to any ONE thing is very dangerous for a martial artist.

 

As you said somewhere else, [a grappler] fighting multiple opponent doesn't stand a chance. (Of course, I paraphrased and took liberty on your wording, but that was the essence of your statement; which went more along the lines of a bunch of guys fight you and you're messed up. I would assume by your very definition, the person being messed up, I assume again, would be your idea of a fighter. Since you are making the statement out of personal knowledge and, as it seems apparent, you think NHB guys are the greatest that your statement only applies to them.

 

This is true. A grappler facing multiple opponents is pretty much screwed. Because his entire strategy is to get a man on the ground and work him, like a puzzle, into a position to either break or submit him. The fatal flaw in this strategy against multiple opponents is that: while grappling with the one opponent the others are abashedly kicking your skull in. Not a very advanced strategy, imho.

 

If you are a grappler, and that is the style of your choice, that is fine. You will find no attack from anyone here. But be aware, based solely on what I have read so far (I know its not much, but such few words carry so much meaning), that one with such a narrow view of the martial arts won't be taken too seriously if that person doesn't seek amiable communication with others.

 

If you want to talk strategy in fighting, I'm all game. I won't limit it to style, but I will talk fighting.

 

I hope you understand, and I hope this helps a bit.

 

Just a reminder: this is all just my humble opinion.

 

ps.

 

Just because I read somewhere that NHB fights are supposedly the closest to "real" fights anywhere. How does a NHB counter having a chunk of flesh bitten from his arm, his eyes gouged out, or his fingers broken? Oops, wait I'm sorry, those are against the rules in NHB fights. I mustn't forget, "real" fights have rules and such. I can tapout, pass out, or maybe the ref will stop it before it gets serious...

 

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[ This Message was edited by: Martial_Artist on 2002-08-01 06:22 ]

[Kensai]

Touche Martial Artist.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

[koreantiger81]

yeah..the two videos are worthless....

[Tapout]

Dear Martial_Artist... PLZ stay off the cheep drugs!

 

The point of those clips were to watch and enjoy, I had no meaning behind why I put those clips up, only for the purpose entertainment also if you had an opinion on it then give it. I wasn't asking or looking for some "light" on the subject. The clip wasn't to teach anything to anyone about MMA, BJJ, Kung-Fu, Muay Thai or TKD.

 

Now I know you don't train in grappling cause it's obvious your ONLY exposer of it, is what you see in UFC, Vale Tudo and Pride fights.

 

When it comes to multiply opponents the techniques in Sambo, or BJJ are VERY different from what you watch on T.V. of when only grappling with one opponent.

 

Martial_Artist why do you speak on subjects (grappling) that you not educated on?

 

Also you seem to dislike and judge NHB, you criticize it, for not being "real" if so then why don't you enter a NHB tournament?

 

http://www.nhbcanada.ca/Photo%20Files/NHBshadow.JPG

 

 

[Jade_Lotus]

I think you've missed the ball tapout, you claim that you had no other meaning behind your videos other than to "watch and enjoy", yet your mouth speaks of boastrous banters. Trying to prove something, using your last defense as a "why don't you join a nhb tounament?" speaking for myself, i don't enter one, because given the chances i WILL rip the eye balls out of my opponent. Why? Because I don't have anything to do with competitions, they waste my time. They train the body, mind and techniques to win in a controlled environment for entertainment purposes. This is waste to me. I feel that Martial_Artist is the same, why doesn't he join? Quite simply, because he would be disqualified for "breaking the rules" in your so called accurate judgement of a real fight situation. I doesn't matter to me how you feel about NHB, Mixed Martial Arts, sambo, etc...But if you want to discuss it, then don't come blazing out in an ultra defensive stand point. Nobody's attacking, you, it may seem as i am. But, i don't care for unprovoked anger or defensiveness. Come and learn with mutual aprobation. As for the mentioning of "grappling", that's simple, ever since the UFC,and other such events emerged, there has beem a falsety, a goss misjudgement that unless you are a grappler, or you study bjj, and other such arts, then you are useless as a fighter. Black Belt Magazine event went so far as to say this as well. Like Martial_Artist said, if you want to come here to talk about martial ats that's fine, but don't come here an rant and rave about how superior NHB fighters are over other styles or martial artists. For by doing so, you throw all your validity out the window, no one can take you seriously. As for the videos, they're lame. Both videos are a pathetic representation of all the arts demonstrated in the videos. That's all i need to say about those, i could go into detail, about them, but there's no point. I have had plenty of experience with NHB fighters, grapples, bbj's, even sambo students. I have several friends that do all these. I respect that, but one thing they don't do is talk like NHB, and other such related arts are superior.. that's defeats the essence of the martial arts, they understand this. For that, i respect them, and their art. Furthermore, you misjudge martial artist, you say that he is not a "grappler", if you mean stictly a grappler, then you are correct in your statement. But for a fighter to only train extensively in "stand up" fighting or "ground" fighting, would be foolish, and that fighter will be caught unexpectedly and hurt very badly. Don't be closed minded, don't limit your gaze. To do this, to limit oneself, is extremely dangerous for a martial artist. Keep in mind Tapout, all this although may appear as an attack on you, is just merely a response to what i've been reading, not an attack on you, i don't know you, and for me to cast judgement on you would be foolish of me. Also, keep in mind, all this is imho. If you wish to discuss, different styles, and the technical aspects of fighting, etc, etc... then I am all game, i always have room to learn. that's what i'm here for. I'm not here to be defensive or angry in any way. I hope this helps.

 

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