Martial Art Fights!

[Tapout]

I found 2 martial art mpeg's and I would like for you to see them and give an openion of what you think!

 

1) MMA vs. Kung-Fu, no pads or gloves.

 

http://www.mcdojo.com/dl_goto.asp?id=23

 

2) Muay Thai vs. Taekwondo, gloves and full conatct Muay Thai rules.

 

http://www.mcdojo.com/dl_goto.asp?id=5

 

http://www.nhbcanada.ca/Photo%20Files/NHBshadow.JPG

 

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Tapout or pass out, it dosen't matter to me!

 

[ This Message was edited by: Tapout on 2002-07-29 15:14 ]

[Iron Arahat]

My post on this at McDojo.com:

 

Information on John Marsh:

 

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=9

 

Some background:

 

"What is did prove is the fallacy of thinking you know your skills when you never really test them.

 

To illustrate my point, let me tell you the story of John's fight. Originally, someone else was going to fight the "kung fu master" in question. However, since $5,000. was on the line and the kung fu camp had said they would fight anyone, John was approached about doing the fight. The BJJ camp knew that John was the best choice to ensure victory. This is because John trained and fought competitively against other fighters, including the original person who was going to fight the kung fu man. John was far from the highest ranking, being only a purple belt in BJJ at the time. However, the BJJ camp knew John was their best choice based on the objective data, even though he was not the most experienced or the highest ranking, or even the biggest.

 

The kung fu side, on the other hand, had no way to objectively determine who was their best fighter. They didn't regularly test their skills in competitions, or even in training against 100% resisting opponents. Because of this, the only way they had to judge who was the "best" was by who was the highest ranking, knew the most techniques, could beat everyone in "tag/point fighting" practice sessions, and who could perform his techniques with the best form. Based on this, the "kung fu master" was considered to be their best choice, although they had several practitioners who were John's size or bigger. As a matter of fact, one of the gentlemen from their school is shown in the background during the fight. At about 6'6" and 290 lbs., he dwarfed John. The kung fu school assumed he was not as good a choice as the smaller "master."

 

The BJJ side had multiple objective proofs for John being the best choice for the fight. Unfortunately, for the kung fu school, they had to make their choice based on subjective criteria, since they never actually used their "deadly" techniques at 100% against 100% resisting opponents."

 

Food for thought.

[koreantiger81]

Muay Thai vs. Taekwondo with "Muay Thai rules!"....When I first saw the v-neck uniform of the taekwondoist, I sensed that he would lose..(W.T.F stylists where V-necks) .I am a practioner of three tae kwon do styles(I.T.F, Korean Karate, and the W.T.F) HOwever, I have such animosity against the W.T.F organization. The W.T.F gives Tae kwon do a bad name when their members attend an open style tournament or enter the U.F.C! A W.T.F tae kwon do stylist should avoid sparring against another style of martial arts, because the W.T.F has developed rules that restricts the use of punches!! When a Muay Thai goes against a W.T.F Tae kwon do stylist, the W.T.F tae kwon do stylist is playing against his odds...The Muay Thai stylist has 4 weapons to use and he sure did use them all in the match!(his two hands, and his two feet) The w.t.f stylist favorites are his two feet, and rarely his two hands...

 

Now, let's specifically critisize the W.T.F tae kwon do stylist in the movie...sigh..Why the heck would he kick to the head!! The muay thai stylists low kicks have a definite advantage over high kicks...(It takes forever for a high kick to connect!).

 

The TKD stylist didn't have a good understanding of distance!! HE would kick too far or too close!! The TKD stylist also had his hands down..sigh..I know that this is only one match and that it cannot be representative of all W.T.F stylists; however, the fact is W.T.F stylists are more confident with their feet rather than their hands. Also, W.T.F stylists ususally strike in only one range, which is only the kicking range!

 

The TKD doist in the video was not experienced..I know a more experienced W.T.F stylist could of had a better chance, but would probably still lose since he is not used to striking with punches in close range...If the Muay Style stylist fought against an I.t.F stylist or a Korean karate stylist, I'm sure there would of been more hope for the Tae kwon do stylist. (I.T.F stylists and KOrean karate stylists especially, use lots of hands.) I just want everyone to know that there are many styles out there!!! It's not only the Olympic style of tae kwon do...Other tae kwon do styles do a lot of boxing as well as kicks. I also think the W.T.F is great, only in it¡¯s own organization and ring¡¦.In my view under my criteria for self-defense fighting, the W.T.F scores low¡¦Under my criteria for sports fighting, it scores high.. Remember the W.T.F is just a sport! Not realistic fighting!

 

 

 

[ This Message was edited by: koreantiger81 on 2002-08-01 06:57 ]

[Bretty101]

Couldn't see the first clip (not got winzip), tho seen the tkd/mt fight before. Very funny and an obvious result!!

 

Why did the WTF guy bother putting boxing gloves on?!?!?!

 

Bretty

[diamondick]

For both of the fights it seemed one of the fighters was way above the others level.

 

This in my opinion is not fair.

 

[CTpizzaboy]

Clip 1). I was looking forward to seeing the Kung Fu guy break into a praying mantis, but he got tackle before he could do anything. Damn. The problem with this match is that they were fighting under MMA rules where you can grapple, and the Kung Fu guy nows nothing about grappling. Why didn't they go with kickboxing rules where there is no grappling. It would have been a more even match. The Kung Fu guy got slaughter. But in general, the problem with pitying one style of martial art against another, is that one will have an upper advantage. Thats why in NHB cometition and the UFC, the competitors are well-rounded in martial arts skills. Or at least take know there weakeness, and stick to there strenghts. For example, Maurice Smith will never go to the ground, unless he has to, because he knows that's not his strenghts.

 

Finally, the Kung Fu guy should have kept far away if he knew this guy was a grappler. Should have waited until the guy came in, then parry, and attack. Thats what they do. They stress in-fighting, like wing chun. Either the Kung Fu guy was stupid, over-confident, or just stupid, because he should have taken some grappling class. The grappler knew what he was doing, the Kung Fu did not.

 

I'll save the 2nd clip for latter.

 

 

[Tapout]

I don't believe it's a matter of fairness but WHY?

 

Why would a Kung-Fu practitioner fight a BJJ practitioner, it's EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that the Kung-Fu practitioner would lose. The same goes with the TKD practitioner; Muay Thai has elbows, knees with hours upon hours of sparring. The TKD practitioner put himself in a position where the fighting it's TOTALLY different from the training he is used to, so of course it OBVIOUS he would lose. YET if you were to have the BJJ and Muay Thai practitioner do point sparring or fight under Kung-Fu or TKD rules then of course the BJJ and Muay Thai would lose!

 

http://www.nhbcanada.ca/Photo%20Files/NHBshadow.JPG

 

 

[Iron Arahat]

Tapout said "Why would a Kung-Fu practitioner fight a BJJ practitioner, it's EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that the Kung-Fu practitioner would lose."

 

There is tons of evidence to the conrary of this:

 

http://www.mixedmartialarts.ca/HTML/Rumble5/09JeremiahJason.htm

 

The Tai Chi guy won this fight. he's from Nothern Lights tai Chi in Dawson Creek, B.C.

 

Onassis Parungao is a Hung Gar stylist who has fought and won in the UFC:

 

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=116

 

http://www.thekwoon.com there used to be clips of the UFC fights in his bio.

 

 

[Tapout]

All of those website's haven't proven a thing!

 

Sure Kung-Fu won some MMA fights but , You haven't shown me where a Kung-Fu practitioner beat a BBJ practitioner, therefor making my original statement true!

 

Quote:

 

"Why would a Kung-Fu practitioner fight a BJJ practitioner, it's EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that the Kung-Fu practitioner would lose. "

 

http://www.nhbcanada.ca/Photo%20Files/NHBshadow.JPG

 

 

 

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Tapout or pass out, it dosen't matter to me!

 

[ This Message was edited by: Tapout on 2002-07-30 14:25 ]

[Iron Arahat]

And that short clip has proven so much...you have a point fighter fighting a professional NHB fighter.

 

Shonie Carter a San Shou (Kungfu)/Siedokan (karate) beat Brad Gunn (BJJ) at UFC 24 and Matt Sera from Renzo Gracies School at UFC 31.