leo Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 I have not been in one thankfully...I just don't have the way about me that ticks alot of people off (at least not offline). I just was wondering in real fight from you're experience does it 1. go to the ground 2. Can you realistically take more then one attacker. 3. Is the UFC a fairly close guide to what to expect a attack on the street or in you're apartment whatever to look like? For instance I do not see alot of the hapkido techniques I once took in the octagon. Not that I am an expert I just see more grappling simple kicking and punching. Thanks:)
Taikudo-ka Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 In that the UFC is done on soft mats, one on one, in a closed ring with no "escape" possibility, and you can't kick a guy once he's down, no, UFC is not like a fight. In a "street situation" you are probably not facing a trained martial artist who has been praparing for the "bout". Systems like karate were originally developed to cope with habitual, untrained acts of aggression that might occur in real life. Things like a haymaker to the head, a tackle, a bearhug, someone grabbing your shirt, a basic kick to the groin or stomach, or just someone holding a fist threateningly at you, for intimidation. I have not been in a fight since I was very young, and then only if I got really mad at bully or something and let loose. Usually I would just take it, then "turn the other cheek" and take it some more. The first fight I got in when I was about 5, I have NO idea why this other (older) kid wanted to fight me, and had never experienced anything like that before. I just took him down and pinned him to the ground, then sat there not having the slightest idea what to do next. Didn't occur to me to hit him, and I didn't want to anyway. The few "real" streetfights I've seen between older men have been fairly savage - lots of short range striking and grabbing where its hard to see who's got the upper hand, then if one goes down the other kicks the crap out of him. From what I remember at school, fighters only ever danced around like boxers throwing jabs if neither was really serious about the fight. If even one party is really serious it goes to the clinch pretty quickly, and finishes when one person is standing, and the other is not. [ This Message was edited by: Taikudo-ka on 2002-07-27 00:45 ] KarateForums.com - Sempai
Tapout Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 I've been in 4 street fights in my life and ALL of them ended up on the ground. The worst one of all was at a club, a guy was drunk and thought I was checking out his girl (I was, and she was FINE!) so he got all mad came up to me started swearing at me, and saying his "gonna kick my ass" I just turn around and went looking for my friends cause I knew their was going to be trouble. Yet as I took my second step (BANG) across my head, the punk hit me with a beer bottle (it hurt like a B****) I turned around I noticed it was him so I "shot" in for his legs took him down and it was all "ground and pound" from their. I messed his face up so bad that I had to throw away my shirt, cause it was full of his blood. The bouncers came and took me off him and outside, and I was told I could never come back to the club again (lucky for me no charges were pressed). I have no idea what happened to the guy that hit me with the beer bottle, he said he'll get me back but this happened 2 years ago and I'm still waiting! http://www.nhbcanada.ca/Photo%20Files/NHBshadow.JPG Tapout or pass out, it dosen't matter to me!
G95champ Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 Not like the UFC by any means. I have not been in a fight since 8th grade a year before I started karate. However things in a real fight you must look at. 1. Suprise - most start with a sucker punch or attack with one not looking. 2. Bare Knuckle - no gloves not pads flesh on flesh is much differant than glove on flesh. 3. Clothes - hard to do all those fancy moves you practice in class in blue jeans and a coat. Stick to low kicks and know some grappeling. 4. The Ground - When I said grappeling above I don't mean go to the ground. I mean expect to get in a head lock, bear hug, etc. Know how to get out. Also know the ground you are on. A hill is differant than a parking lot. Gravel is differant than a hardwood floor. Rain and Mudd are much differant than a dry dojo. 5. The Unknown know if the person attacking you has friends who are ready to jump in. Much less weapons and how they fight. So a real fight is nothing like the UFC. The guys who fight in the UFC and K1 and other events are so good it is hard for them to actually land a clean shot and knock the other guy out. Plus they know where they are how long they got and they got time to scout their opponent. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
ZakariRu Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 Every single fight i have ever been in has ended with someone on the ground. 9 out of 10 times the person on the ground is the one that is unconcious. there is nothing real about the ufc. espicially the gracies they change the rules everytime they fight someone better than them. Real fights between grown folk usually start with a sucker punch, and 2 or 3 good friends right behind them...... Alot of untrained people when they start getting hit like to move closer. this way you cant hit them anymore. then its usually a wrestling match until someone slips away and starts punching again. also if you have an earring that is the other thing coming out right away.
Taikudo-ka Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 Habitual Acts of Real Violence Specimen 1 - The wild haymaker http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/26/1027497416115.html Note the extreme "wind up" for the punch, and other features of stance and technique. Generally used by those you have severely pi$$ed off for some reason, who decide to "teach you a lesson". Note the friends/teammates on either side attempting to trap, stifle or otherwise stop the attack on their friend, an inevitable feature of fights in a "social" environment. Anyone want to add to the database? KarateForums.com - Sempai
Bon Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 Yeah, big wind up there from that guy in the picture. It's not likely to drop anyone though, even if it does connect. The big haymakers are almost always seen coming, so you can avoid them, or they miss by themselves anyway in most cases. In a real fight, basics rule.. In my fights, they have gone to the ground when I haven't wanted them to. I used to be a pure striker then, so I would get straight back onto my feet. I just wish I knew how to grapple a little then so I could have finished it quickly and easily. I believe you can take more than one attacker, depending on how well they can fight. But, then again I'm a crazy guy who thinks about starting a fight with 3 people at school, just so I can drop one, then go to the deputy and argue 'do you think I'm stupid enough to start a fight when there's one of me and three of them?'.. A mate of mine who's been grappling for 3 years and has only just recently started striking within the last few months handled 3 bouncers at a night club. Put the first one in a headlock, held the second one against the wall, placed a thigh kick on the third one when he came running over, hahaha.. Handling multiple attackers does happen, but I'd much rather avoid it It takes sacrifice to be the best.There are always two choices, two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.
koreantiger81 Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 Way back in my junior high school days, I was a rebel. Kinesiologist/TrainerBlack-Belt
ckdstudent Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 1. go to the ground None of the ones I've been involved in have gone to the ground.2. Can you realistically take more then one attacker. Yes. I know that I can handle two, and three if a particular friend of mine is there.3. Is the UFC a fairly close guide to what to expect a attack on the street or in you're apartment whatever to look like? For instance I do not see alot of the hapkido techniques I once took in the octagon. Not that I am an expert I just see more grappling simple kicking and punching.I very much doubt it, can't really say having never seen the UFC. ---------Pil SungJimmy B
Eye of the Tiger Posted July 27, 2002 Posted July 27, 2002 In my primary school all the fights I had went to the ground. The last fight I had was standing where the guy swung at me and smashed me in the face (showing that I was hard I took it) then I just smacked him in the stomach and then in the face. That was about 2 months ago, when he was picking on my brother. I did get into a lot of street fights when I started secondry when I was 11 and the youth clubs got pretty rough and I used to get into a lot of scruufles and they all went to the ground so yeah pretty much all fights go to the ground. I gues that shows mans instinct on how to fight. Though I dont do any ground fighting it appears it would be wise to start.
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