more Karate in the UFC

[lspahn]

Oh, i wasn't knocking them down..any guy that competes especially trains longer and harder then me...and like i said tough dudes who get a ton of ring time..

My point was that implementing rules tends to limit the overall effectiveness of how a system was intended when it was designed as opposed to to an understanding of limitations from day 1 such as MMA. I watch some bare knuckle whenever i can find it (mostly google or youtube) but you don't think that training your muscle memory to respond in certain ways for sport it will respond differently in real life? I have been training for about 3 years (this time around) so i fully admit there is a ton of growth for me personally, but usually find myself doing what i train.

And i don't buy the 'one hit and your dead' mantra either. I would disagree that groin or eye shot or any other off limit area are bad luck as opposed to targeted attack since they are staple of a lot of techniques.

[isshinryu5toforever]

The bad aim bad luck part was about sport martial arts. I would say though that it might be a little harder to get a trained fighter, MMA, Karate, or otherwise, with an eye poke or a groin kick. Imagine how hard it is to hit someone solid in the face with your hand, now think about how hard it is to hit someone in the eye with your finger. That's my biggest point.

Rules do limit the way you respond, but the way most of those guys would hit an attacker, I don't think they have much to worry about. You will respond the way you're taught to, and the way you've fought. I think kicking someone with a leg kick and then punching them in the face when they bend over in pain is pretty effective self defense. I don't think eye gouges especially are as big a thing to worry about as people think they are, and groin kicks, I've seen angry people walk through one or two of those. The pain settles in later, after the dust has settled. Adrenaline can do some amazing things.

[lspahn]

O no doubt..the leg kick punch to face is always the best plan. We train hard on working combinations together while sparing. i'm a big guy, and dance like an elephant, so smooth transitions and footwork are a challenge for me, but thats why i train....

I think what i meant was that those limits play in some cases, but the ability to exchange and win that forceful exchange (punch, kick, punch) is always the goal is absolutely correct. Plus those solid basics are what is really critical in my opinion. Solid Punches, kicks and blocks with good stances. Everything else falls into place around that.

[AndySike]

The people who think Karate is useless, are people who either haven't learned it, or don't do it right.

One of the best things my teacher said was, were not going to teach you how to gain an extra point in sparring by learning to kick with your toes. In this class if you do that I will break every single one of your toes.

Sparring has Cons and Pros, and UFC also. Self defense isn't spose to be a chicken fight. Its used to quickly get out of the situation with one or two punches/kicks.

[isshinryu5toforever]

I think people who say Karate doesn't work have seen a ton of bad Karate, because there's a ton of really bad Karate out there. They also get sick of the argument that the most effective techniques in Karate are killing techniques that aren't legal in the UFC. If they can't be practiced on a live human being, you don't know how really effective they are. For every person, and we've said it many times on here, the most effective techniques in the ring or in self defense are the ones you practice the most. That would be the basics every time: straight punches, front kick, side kick, round kick. Those techniques will be even better when you add full resistance and hard contact sparring to the mix.

There's the old saying, "The hotter the fire, the harder the steel." That's why old school Gojuryu guys and Kyokushin (and it's many offshoots) get a lot of respect. They turn the fire up plenty high, and consistently produce good fighters.

[Sokusen]

If they can't be practiced on a live human being, you don't know how really effective they are.

I don’t think that’s necessarily a fair statement. I don't have to hit a person in the throat with a shoken (single knuckle punch) to know it's going to be effective. Same goes for several strikes that are illegal in the UFC. That being said I do agree the argument that "my techniques are to dangerous for the UFC" is a bogus argument.

I believe the reason traditional karate has not had a strong showing in the UFC is simply most traditional Karate students don't train for the UFC. Just like any sport at a high level of competition you need to train for it. Those who train for competition do well; those who don't train don't do well. I feel confident that if things went down I would be able to defend my self, which is one of the reasons why I study Karate. I also feel confident that if I stepped into the ring with some one like Chuck Liddell he would kick my butt.

One of the best things my teacher said was, were not going to teach you how to gain an extra point in sparring by learning to kick with your toes. In this class if you do that I will break every single one of your toes.

You obviously have never been kicked by a properly formed sokusen!

[bushido_man96]

I believe the reason traditional karate has not had a strong showing in the UFC is simply most traditional Karate students don't train for the UFC. Just like any sport at a high level of competition you need to train for it. Those who train for competition do well; those who don't train don't do well.

With the exposure of what Machida has done in the UFC, it may lead to the opening of hybrid Karate schools that do train with a focus on MMA competition. I think it would be good for the MA community in general.

[Sokusen]

Totally agree

[Akikazeninja]

I like to watch the UFC but some parts of it really bother me like how i see a lot of posers wearing tapout shirts like they are just gonna beat the crap out of any person that gives em a wrong look, I just wish there was a little higher respect and more honor to the sport more like MA

[bushido_man96]

I like to watch the UFC but some parts of it really bother me like how i see a lot of posers wearing tapout shirts like they are just gonna beat the crap out of any person that gives em a wrong look, I just wish there was a little higher respect and more honor to the sport more like MA

I don't think those guys are posers. They spend lots of time training...after all, that's how they make their living. The talk and the intimidation is also a psychological part of the competitions. Yeah, they talk, and they act tough, but its also part of the entertainment aspect of it. Not everyone likes it, but its part of it.