Master Shintani videos

[Chitsu]

Krypto,

Do you train in Wado?

If so is it withnthe Shintani group.

Chitsu

Yes and yes.

Do you Practice Kihon Kumite?

Chitsu

[krypto]

Do you Practice Kihon Kumite?

Chitsu

We don't practice Sensei Otsuka's 10 Kihon Kumite katas, if that's what you mean. We have our own Kihon Kumite.

[Chitsu]

Yes, that is what I mean.

Probably they are more the defining kata of Wado .

Chitsu.

[Jeffrey]

Hey Krypto,

Where do train out of? I'm based in edmonton.

[Chitsu]

Here is Sensei George Grimes - performing very good examples of Wado Ryu Kihon Kumite 1-10.

Krypto, you say you have your own versions of these.

Do you have a clip of them so we can compare?

Chitsu

Edited January 23, 2010 by Chitsu

[krypto]

Hey Krypto,

Where do train out of? I'm based in edmonton.

Vancouver.

Krypto, you say you have your own versions of these.

Do you have a clip of them so we can compare?

Chitsu

No, I'll have to get back to you on that. They're not really encoded. They are on the lines of ippon and sanbon kumite.

[Chitsu]

I see.

Most Wado groups (at least here in Europe anyway) - have Ippon and/or Sanbon kumite in their syllabus - the contents of which tends to vary from group to group.

Some also have Ohyo kumite (usually on the Suzuki lineage) and/or Kumite Gata.

But what remains constant throughout all of the "Mainstream" wado groups is the practice of Kihon Kumite.

To me, they represent the connection to Wado's "Shindo Yoshin Ryu" heritage and therefore the principles and stratagems that Ohtsuka intended to be transmitted into his karate.

Without them - it's not Wado imo. It may be Wado based but not Wado.

Krypto, you have one of the best Wado instructors in the world - right there in your doorstep in the shape of Norma Foster.

She is based in Burnaby BC, and is the highest (JKF) graded female karate-ka in the world.

https://www.canadajkfwadokai.org/about/board/president.php

If I were you - I'd pay her a visit.

Chitsu

[krypto]

I see.

But what remains constant throughout all of the "Mainstream" wado groups is the practice of Kihon Kumite.

Without them - it's not Wado imo. It may be Wado based but not Wado.

With all due respect, Chitsu, I don't know if that's a fair statement. Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu and Kiyohisa Hirano (I believe). I'm guessing Hirano didn't know enough about pure Wado even though Otsuka made him in charge of Wado in Hawaii; so perhaps that's why Hirano created his own Wado. I'm not sure if Master Otsuka taught Sensei Shintani those katas or if Master Otsuka required all his black belts to know them. It seems to me though that Shintani tried to incorporate some ideas from kihon kumite into katas like changing some of the morote ukes into nagashi ukes.

Thanks for the info on Sensei Foster. I will certainly think about it.

[Chitsu]

Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu...

Where did you get that from?

Chitsu

[krypto]

Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu...

Where did you get that from?

Chitsu

Others have told me this plus Sensei Shiomitsu said it (sort of) in the below controversial interview as well as others:

Traditional Karate: Is the Wado you teach now different from the

 

early days?

M. Shiomitsu: The Wado that I learned in university was basically

fighting, no technique, it was always fight, fight, fight! I didn't

know so many techniques. When I came here [England] I learned

something from Suzuki Sensei but his style was not really Wado style,

it was a hard way and what I do is a lot softer, like Ohtsuka

Sensei's father did. People think I have changed but I haven't, I

didn't have any experience at that time. I asked Ohtsuka Sensei 2nd

what the Wado style really is, so that I could learn.