Chitsu Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Krypto,Do you train in Wado?If so is it withnthe Shintani group.ChitsuYes and yes.Do you Practice Kihon Kumite?Chitsu look at the moon, not my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krypto Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Do you Practice Kihon Kumite?ChitsuWe don't practice Sensei Otsuka's 10 Kihon Kumite katas, if that's what you mean. We have our own Kihon Kumite. Steve Willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitsu Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Yes, that is what I mean.Probably they are more the defining kata of Wado .Chitsu. look at the moon, not my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hey Krypto,Where do train out of? I'm based in edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitsu Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) Here is Sensei George Grimes - performing very good examples of Wado Ryu Kihon Kumite 1-10. Krypto, you say you have your own versions of these.Do you have a clip of them so we can compare?Chitsu Edited January 23, 2010 by Chitsu look at the moon, not my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krypto Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hey Krypto,Where do train out of? I'm based in edmonton.Vancouver. Krypto, you say you have your own versions of these. Do you have a clip of them so we can compare? Chitsu No, I'll have to get back to you on that. They're not really encoded. They are on the lines of ippon and sanbon kumite. Steve Willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitsu Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I see.Most Wado groups (at least here in Europe anyway) - have Ippon and/or Sanbon kumite in their syllabus - the contents of which tends to vary from group to group.Some also have Ohyo kumite (usually on the Suzuki lineage) and/or Kumite Gata. But what remains constant throughout all of the "Mainstream" wado groups is the practice of Kihon Kumite.To me, they represent the connection to Wado's "Shindo Yoshin Ryu" heritage and therefore the principles and stratagems that Ohtsuka intended to be transmitted into his karate.Without them - it's not Wado imo. It may be Wado based but not Wado.Krypto, you have one of the best Wado instructors in the world - right there in your doorstep in the shape of Norma Foster.She is based in Burnaby BC, and is the highest (JKF) graded female karate-ka in the world.https://www.canadajkfwadokai.org/about/board/president.phpIf I were you - I'd pay her a visit.Chitsu look at the moon, not my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krypto Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 I see.But what remains constant throughout all of the "Mainstream" wado groups is the practice of Kihon Kumite.Without them - it's not Wado imo. It may be Wado based but not Wado. With all due respect, Chitsu, I don't know if that's a fair statement. Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu and Kiyohisa Hirano (I believe). I'm guessing Hirano didn't know enough about pure Wado even though Otsuka made him in charge of Wado in Hawaii; so perhaps that's why Hirano created his own Wado. I'm not sure if Master Otsuka taught Sensei Shintani those katas or if Master Otsuka required all his black belts to know them. It seems to me though that Shintani tried to incorporate some ideas from kihon kumite into katas like changing some of the morote ukes into nagashi ukes. Thanks for the info on Sensei Foster. I will certainly think about it. Steve Willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitsu Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu... Where did you get that from?Chitsu look at the moon, not my finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krypto Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Most young men graduating from university Wado clubs in Japan didn't learn kihon kumite including Senseis Shiomitsu... Where did you get that from?Chitsu Others have told me this plus Sensei Shiomitsu said it (sort of) in the below controversial interview as well as others:Traditional Karate: Is the Wado you teach now different from the early days?M. Shiomitsu: The Wado that I learned in university was basicallyfighting, no technique, it was always fight, fight, fight! I didn'tknow so many techniques. When I came here [England] I learnedsomething from Suzuki Sensei but his style was not really Wado style,it was a hard way and what I do is a lot softer, like OhtsukaSensei's father did. People think I have changed but I haven't, Ididn't have any experience at that time. I asked Ohtsuka Sensei 2ndwhat the Wado style really is, so that I could learn. Steve Willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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