breaking and breaking?

[taezee]

the main advatage of breaking is as rush said the challange but also here you can really go all out on a technigue and not worry about killing your sparring partner....you also need to develop a high level of speed and focus.these two are even more important than the toughening up of your striking area (knuckels for example) as a matter of fact if you are not training properly you can really hurt yourself(broken knuckles>>nerve damage..carpatunel)yes the objects are inanimate so what!! its a tough challenge and as for self defense ken i have to re emphasis you dont want to get hit with this type of force obviously boards dont hit back but bones break easily...

 

[ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2001-09-09 13:21 ]

[thaiboxerken]

Bones aren't brittle like cinderblocks, and neither do they have a grain to break along. The collar bone is an easy bone to break with any attack, but most bones are protected by muscle and tendon. Power, speed and conditioning is better trained by punching and kicking canvas bags. Bags don't hit back, but you can kick and punch them in repetition without stopping.

 

 

[Iron Arahat]

I've seen guys break there hands on cinderblocks...I've seen one guy dislocate his shoulder during a breaking contest.

 

I've seen bones break...ribs, orbital sockets, jaws, legs (tibia), arms.

 

Yes, a bags is good conditioning tool; however, breaking is a better test of concentrating power.

 

If you hit a bag wrong or with no power, big deal. You hit a concrete slab without enough power chances are it will break you.

[thaiboxerken]

"If you hit a bag wrong or with no power, big deal. You hit a concrete slab without enough power chances are it will break you."

 

Exactly, I'd rather train safely and smart. Breaking your body on inanimate objects isn't fun and takes away from training time.

 

Sure, it takes focus to make sure you have the accuracy and enough speed to transfer your kinetic energy into the cinderblock at the proper angle, but the cinderblock isn't a moving object and is more brittle than a person. Not a very good training method, if you ask me. I guess it would be kind of kewl to tell people that you can break bricks with your hands, that is if that person didn't know the tricks to it.

 

 

[taezee]

well i never said we dont use bags too ken..as for bricks being more brittle than human bones..when was the last time you took a course on anatomy and physiology??

 

 

[thaiboxerken]

Wife is an LPN. I just ask her.

 

Also, I have taken material structure in my nuclear engineering classes. Cement is made out of minerals, which is a crystalline structure and is brittle, it has no give to it once it is hardened. Bones have organic structure and can bend just a little bit, allowing the bone to absorb shock. Also, bones are protected by muscle and tendons, which also absorb shock of impact. Bones do start to get a more brittle as we age, that's why it's important to intake calcium as we grow older.

 

 

 

[taezee]

well good for your wife...i was also an lpn and as for your engineering class the study of structures....you fight full contact how many times have you seen broken bones? I have seen and suffered plenty ..it is very easy to break bones..doesnt matter how old you are

 

 

[SaiFightsMS]

This is a very interesting thread of discussion.

 

My opinion is breaking builds confidence.

 

:karate:The first time I broke a board I felt so alive inside. And at subsequent breaking seminars over the years I really believe that breaking is an emmense confidence builder.

 

Most of the younger kids (and many adults) are afraid of the board the first time. But when they do break it they really get charged up. And there is often a carryover into things outside the dojo. Some have more confidence trying and doing other things they encounter in life.

 

Sai

[KickChick]

Kyepka (Korean for board breaking in taekwondo)... is one of the four major elements in earning your black belt in TKD. In order to earn black belt degree in our school it is obligatory to break 6 boards (3 each w/hand technique) --6 boards (3 each w/foot technique).

 

Breaking objects can be performed with any rigid part of the body. In tae kwon do, the most common are the hand or the foot, but breaking can also be done by using the elbow, the knee and even the head.

 

Breaking an object is a good way to practice concentration, power, focus, speed and precision on non-living objects, without injuring yourself or someone else in the process.. It is important to realise that proper technique is needed and a breaking technique within your limits, because without it you can easily injure yourself and sometimes even permanently!

 

So breaking really relies on technique and of course ...the law of physics! ok...here goes...its been a while since I've been in school soooo....

 

Impulse = force (delivered by the strength of t=your muscles) times time (delivered by the speed of your movement). Therefor, the shorter your contact with the board, the bigger the force component will be and therefore, the easier the board will break.

 

momentum = mass (weight) x velocity (speed in a certain direction), The change in momentum is the momentum when you hit the target minus the momentum when you come to a stop, which is determined by weight and speed (== impulse.

 

The force applied to stop a movement determines how quickly it has stopped, since we can say that the mass used to create the momentum will not change.

 

When the force meets the board, the top of the board will be in a state of compression and the bottom will be in tension. This will produce a torque on an axis through the middle of the board. If the torque is great enough the board will break .... and yes what a rush it is!!!

 

Practicing breaking objects helps you to realise that your body itself is a very strong weapon. It also helps you to understand that during practice with a partner, you have to be very careful.

 

 

 

 

 

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[ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2001-10-31 05:44 ]

[iamrushman]

kamsahmnida KICKCHICK.........you saved me a lot of typing.....glad to see the old breaking debate continue......pesonally; i'm a breaker and enjoy every one i did then and every one i do now...the charge, the energy, and the satisfaction is always an excitement to me...........