Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, Sambo...Help!

[El Guerrero Loco]

Hello, my martial brethren. I currently take Wado-Ryu Karate but would liek to start doing another art. I was wondering wat you guys though would be good for self defense mainly between BJJ, JJ and Sambo. I dunno much bout how any of them train in the dojo...Could anyone tell me what its like and around how long it takes to become proficient. I already know some grappling, but whenever I grapple i tend to take it to the ground which i know can be a disadvantage but when confronted by multiple attackers aren't you pretty much screwed regardless of ur style(unless u maybe had a sword)? Could u tell me anything bout Sambo too? Thx alot guys

 

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

My karate is also based on wado ryu. If you want to take another martial then BJJ is more of a sport with no holds barred, it is not really self defence but very tough. Ju Jutsu is self defence with chokes and locks, holds and is very effective as a martial art for self defence purposes. I dont know anything about Sambo.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

[Kensai]

Do either jujutsu (daito ryu), Aiki jutsu or Aikido. I prefer these. But thats just my opinion.

 

 

[Bon]

If you want to take another martial then BJJ is more of a sport with no holds barred, it is not really self defence but very tough. Ju Jutsu is self defence with chokes and locks, holds and is very effective as a martial art for self defence purposes.

 

Heh, what you described as ju jutsu is basically BJJ. No holds barred matches have a lot of fighters who know BJJ! Personally I don't consider BJJ a sport, and even though it's meant to be a gentle art, I think it's a nasty art if you want it to be.. =p

 

BJJ entails taking your attacker down to the ground if the fight doesn't already end up there (it's based on the philosophy all fights go to the ground or are won on the ground), controlling them, then finishing them off.

 

Traditional Jiu Jitsu is more stand up & deals with locks while on your feet, there's barely any ground grappling if any from what I know.

 

Sambo means self defense without weapons in english, there's two main kinds of sambo, sport sambo - submission grappling & combat sambo - for self defense.

 

Proficient ? Depends on how often you can get mat time, the more mat time you get, the better you get.

 

 

[three60roundhouse]

Sambo was created in the 1930's as a method of hand to hand combat for the Soviet military after the Russo-Japanese War. A sport form of it was created so that it could be practiced safely, and has now become an International Sport which is seen all over the world.

 

In the Sambo fights i have watched, there was standup fighting, low kicks mostly, then the takedown, then grappling. Sambo is well-known for it's deadly array of leglocks.

 

Personally, I train in BJJ, so I'm a little impartial, but I don't think of BJJ as a sport. It's an art, and the way the principles are conveyed in early training is through point matches, where you get more points for the places you'd want to be on the street - 4 points for mount and backmount. All beginners in my experience, should learn BJJ with the gi first, then move on to no-gi training. I watched a class once where the instructor and students came to class wearing jearns and a tee-shirt, much like you'd be wearing on the street. Vale tudo, or "anything goes" in Portugese, is a type of fighting, and if you train vale tudo in a BJJ class, the aim will be to take your opponent to the ground and submit them.

 

 

[--]

Shuai Chiao is a great art to look into. Teaches sufficient groundfighting, with a lot of hard, fast strikes thrown in. Very good for street defense.

 

 

[HarvesterofSorrow]

Shuai Chiao has many throws. I believe the art is primarily throws to finish off the opponent ie. throwing someone on their head...really hard...into the concrete.

 

have fun

[BlueDragon1981]

Sambo is a good style if taught correctly. Jujitsu is also a good grappling art. Brazilian Jujitsu can be adapted to self defence very easily, but i would not choose it because now most of the certified instructors are only of the rank of Blue belt.

 

[Bon]

Brazilian Jujitsu can be adapted to self defence very easily, but i would not choose it because now most of the certified instructors are only of the rank of Blue belt.

 

ONLY ? A blue belt will have no trouble at all beating anyone who is a lower rank than them generally and no trouble at all submitting someone who doesn't know how to grapple. It's like a black belt in another striking art if you ask me.

 

 

[three60roundhouse]

On 2002-07-18 22:50, Bon wrote:

 

ONLY ? A blue belt will have no trouble at all beating anyone who is a lower rank than them generally and no trouble at all submitting someone who doesn't know how to grapple. It's like a black belt in another striking art if you ask me.

 

It takes most BJJ practitioners around 2 years to get a blue belt. In many modern tkd and karate schools, you'd be more than halfway to black belt. Also, most BJJ purple belts know almost all the techniques they will ever know. Brown and black belt is just about being able to link technique and have it flow. One of my two main BJJ instructors is also my TKD instructor, 5th dan in TKD, blue belt in BJJ. Is he highly ranked? No. But I also know what a skilled teacher he is. We have had higher level instructors come in and teach a class or two, and I think I am learning well. BJJ is also the kind of art where the practitioners all meet at tournaments and share secrets. BJJ'ers are a tight knit bunch who love their sport and want others to as well.