Sticky Hands?

[HarvesterofSorrow]

stonecrusher is right about 'sticking hands' being a better name.

[rabid hamster]

oh.. Hmm.. but um, if you train in chi sao/sticking hands, would your reflexes be faster then another martial artist since you can know what someone might do before they do it?

[ZeRo]

is this a kind of MA or is it just an excersize?? if its an excersize could you try and decribe it and what its spose it improve and the such.

 

 

[MonkeyNinja]

It's to my understanding that is sticking hands and push hands are both excercises. Both are great fun!!!

 

MonkeyNinja

[Shaolin]

is this a kind of MA or is it just an excersize?? if its an excersize could you try and decribe it and what its spose it improve and the such.

 

Chi-Sao is an exercise that is used in Wing Chun to train almost all hand techniques and the energy that goes with them. Moreover, Chi-Sao incorporates most of the key concepts of the system, such as:

 

Centerline Theory

 

Hand Replacement

 

Forward Energy

 

Hand Unity

 

Facing

 

'Stay with what comes follow when it goes.'

 

'A freed hand shoots forward.'

 

And many more...

 

(Chi Gerk (Sticking Legs) is also used to round out the training of the system dealing with the legs and kicks.)

 

The Wing Chun fighter must have a way of operating at close range and since sight is of little use at this range he must use his sense of touch in order to know what to do. Chi-Sao provides an interactive exchange of energy in which to learn how to use the tools and concepts in the system, both with cooperative and non-cooperative partners and with live energy. Through the use of the tools in the system in Chi-Sao he learns how to respond to attack and initiate an attack and control his partners balance and structure at very close range.

 

This is one reason why, unlike most fighters in 'striking systems', Wing Chun guys can't wait to shoot inside to close range - it's where they are most comfortable, ironically it's where most other artists are least comfortable - this is no coincidence.

[ZeRo]

cool thanks Shaolin.

[monkeygirl]

My school has a sticking hands drill (tho we call it "sticky hands")

 

You (A) start with a right jab. Your partner (B) blocks to the inside with his left hand and brings the hand outwards. With right hand, B chops A's elbow. A throws a left hook. B blocks with chopping (right) hand. B follows up by pushing off A's hooking arm with left hand. B counters with a jab with right hand. Now it's A's turn to do all over again.

 

OK so that was bad trying to type it out, but it's something like that. Is that what you all mean? It's basically like a kata with a partner. You build up speed until you stop thinking about it and it's more like a twitch reaction. Also helps condition forearms.

[KU]

Yes, monkeygirl I think the exercise you are trying to describe sounds something like one that I have encountered known as double push hands it’s kinda half way between push hands and sticking hands.

 

All of these are simply exercises that help a person feel what there opponent it up to, if practiced regularly they can become a very effective tool.

[Shaolin]

My school has a sticking hands drill (tho we call it "sticky hands")

 

You (A) start with a right jab. Your partner (B) blocks to the inside with his left hand and brings the hand outwards. With right hand, B chops A's elbow. A throws a left hook. B blocks with chopping (right) hand. B follows up by pushing off A's hooking arm with left hand. B counters with a jab with right hand. Now it's A's turn to do all over again.

 

OK so that was bad trying to type it out, but it's something like that. Is that what you all mean? It's basically like a kata with a partner. You build up speed until you stop thinking about it and it's more like a twitch reaction. Also helps condition forearms.

 

No definetly not. Chi Sao (Sticking Hands) as I mentioned in my last post on this thread is much different. For starters Chi-Sao is not a series of pre-arranged movements:

Bruce Lee said:

 

 

The truth in combat is outside all fixed patterns.

 

 

Chi Sao in Wing Chun is the key or core energy drill in Wing Chun. Two partners attempt to gain control of the other, by controlling the Centerline and the energy/balance of the other, spontaneously using contact stimuli - both arms and later the legs are also used. Chi -Sao represents 80%-90% of the training in most Wing Chun schools - this exercise is what brings the movements found in the forms to life and burns them into your brain and hands. In Chi-Sao almost all of Wing Chun's techniques and concepts are trained in response to contact. See my last post.

[HarvesterofSorrow]

agreed