sensei8 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 "In the event of violation/termination, all certifications must be returned to the XYZ Organization."Can an organization take 'your' certificate(s) away from 'you'?AND/OR...Can an organization reduce 'your' rank? **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallgeese Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 If you belong, I supposed they CAN do just about anything. SHOULD is a different story.Personally, I feel that "no" would be the answer to both. http://alphajiujitsu.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJhRVuwbm__LwXPvFMReMww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isshinryu5toforever Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 They can, but as said before, it would seem like quite the inappropriate thing to do. He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened.- Tao Te Ching"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."- Sun Tzu, the Art of War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think that is one of the sticklers in being associated with an organziation. It probably can be done. What they can't take is your knowledge and experience, though. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 "In the event of violation/termination, all certifications must be returned to the XYZ Organization."Having read this statement many times emitting from more than one Hombu/Federation/Association, it sounds to me like someone's let the authority go right to their head(s).As Brian's stated quite well...What they can't take is your knowledge and experience, though.I'm of the opinion, once a Shodan, for example, always a Shodan. Way beyond that, once knowledge/experience obtained, knowledge/experience irrefutable!Bow/Heel/Kneel...These times no longer exist, in that, one can't take away what's no longer their's! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperki Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I agree that an organization can't take away your knowledge and practical experience, but if you are affiliated with an organization you also represent it. So if you are engaging in behavior that negatively portrays the organization I think they are within their rights to strip your titles / membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger1962 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I know the one I was affiliated with, I had heard CAN indeed DO that. Like some other posters here, I agree - they can't take away knowledge and experience. Nor, can they enter my home and take my certificate and belt from where I live. They can record or demote anything they want to in their records or files, but I earned what I have, paid my dues, both physical and $$$$$$$$$ and they CAN NOT take THAT from me. Now, whether or not I think its appropriate - well that's a whole other topic. "Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Dilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei8 Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 My belt...my rank...Doesn't make me who I am as both a person and a martial artist. No! My belt/rank; are nothing more than platitudes! What's inside of me}heart, mind, and soul} this makes me who I am as a person and a martial artist. You want my certs? You want my belt? You want my rank? Here they are...you can have them. But...my knowledge/experience is MINE!The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass! **Proof is on the floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger1962 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 My belt...my rank...Doesn't make me who I am as both a person and a martial artist. No! My belt/rank; are nothing more than platitudes! What's inside of me}heart, mind, and soul} this makes me who I am as a person and a martial artist. You want my certs? You want my belt? You want my rank? Here they are...you can have them. But...my knowledge/experience is MINE!The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass! LMAO - agreed !!! "Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Dilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still kicking Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 sensei8 wrote: The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass! Or you could drive without a license, of course. Perhaps that would be more parallel to cutting ties with an association and continuing to train? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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