Yaka no Sai vs Hama Higa no Sai

[rogue2257]

Of course there isn't always a 1:1 translation for the empty handed techniques, but sai techniques tend to be more similar to open handed techniques than any of the other traditional kobudo weapons, in my experience. Occasionally, just for the fun of it, I'll attempt to create kobudo versions of some of the traditional empty handed kata.

That's all starting to get away from the point I was originally trying to make though. Even with translating empty handed techniques into weapon techniques, there is significant variation from action to action. The katas I first mentioned, Hamahiga no sai and Yaka no sai are incredibly similar, if you carefully look at each of the individual actions as opposed to the stylistic differences between the two practitioners.

Furthermore, you see very very similar sequences between many of the sai kata that I've seen. Of course, I might be wrong, and this isn't necessarily accurate across all sai kata, but that's just the observation I've been able to make from viewing various kata from various styles.

[sensei8]

This is the official Shindokan Kobudo Kata's:

>>Chinen Shikiyanaka no Kun

>>Maezato no Nunchaku

>>Maezato no Tekko

>>Akamine no Nunchaku

>>Sakugawa no Kun (Sho)

>>Chikin Shitahaku no Sai

>>Shushi no Kun (Dai)

>>Chatan Yara no Sai

>>Hama Higa no Tonfa

>>Hama Higa no Sai

>>Sakugawa no Kun (Dai)

>>Shirotaro no Kun

>>Tawata no Sai

>>Kanegawa no Tinbe/Rochin

>>Yonegawa (Yuniga) no Kun

>>Kojo (Kugusuku) no Sai

>>Kanegawa Ni Cho no Kama

>>Choun no Kun

>>Tsuken Sunakaki no Eku (Chikin Shinagaki)

>>Urasoe (Urashi) no Kun

I'm extremely familiar with Yaka no Sai, but, it's not part of the official kobudo kata's within Shindokan.

[rogue2257]

This is the official Shindokan Kobudo Kata's:

I'm extremely familiar with Yaka no Sai, but, it's not part of the official kobudo kata's within Shindokan.

Well that answers one of my questions, thanks. If you're familiar with them, (and I'm making these assumptions based on the videos I posted previously) surely then, you've noted the striking similarities between the two forms. While the practitioners in the two posted videos are clearly of very different styles, the actual techniques that are being performed are very similar, up until about the halfway point of the kata. Of course, if you're more familiar with them than I am, and I'm incorrect in my assessment, feel free to enlighten me to the contrary.

[sensei8]

This is the official Shindokan Kobudo Kata's:

I'm extremely familiar with Yaka no Sai, but, it's not part of the official kobudo kata's within Shindokan.

Well that answers one of my questions, thanks. If you're familiar with them, (and I'm making these assumptions based on the videos I posted previously) surely then, you've noted the striking similarities between the two forms. While the practitioners in the two posted videos are clearly of very different styles, the actual techniques that are being performed are very similar, up until about the halfway point of the kata. Of course, if you're more familiar with them than I am, and I'm incorrect in my assessment, feel free to enlighten me to the contrary.

Your assessment's correct!

[rogue2257]

This is the official Shindokan Kobudo Kata's:

I'm extremely familiar with Yaka no Sai, but, it's not part of the official kobudo kata's within Shindokan.

Well that answers one of my questions, thanks. If you're familiar with them, (and I'm making these assumptions based on the videos I posted previously) surely then, you've noted the striking similarities between the two forms. While the practitioners in the two posted videos are clearly of very different styles, the actual techniques that are being performed are very similar, up until about the halfway point of the kata. Of course, if you're more familiar with them than I am, and I'm incorrect in my assessment, feel free to enlighten me to the contrary.

Your assessment's correct!

Thanks for the comment, that's exactly what I wanted to know.