Is America Doing the right thing.

[BlueDragon1981]

Im familiar with the US history. Politcians are run by money. People often die because of them not only in war. (Im sure all of them arent bad.)

 

I just dont get the whole holy war thing. That is bs. Im a religous person but I would never use my religion for a excuse to make a war.

 

Really I guess the real problem with this whole debate is Human Kind. We never seem to see what we are doing until it is to late. I mean we cant even stop destroying the planet we live on. How could we ever get along with each other. Human nature is probably the most brutal kind of existance there is. I hold higher regards for animals than I do for humans sometimes.

 

This is getting to be a uptight thread. Just for all of you to know. It was not intended to discredit the country or any other country. Just trying to see how civilized we can all be with a serious subject and trying to see why we are all so obsest with power.

 

 

 

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[Don Gwinn]

That timeline is ridiculous. How fast, exactly, was America going when it ran over your dog?

 

Look, I don't like the fact that we fought in Vietnam either. However, I know the difference between being on the scene and sitting in a comfy chair with hindsight. In hindsight, it's clear that Ho Chi Minh was probably just a Vietnamese patriot who was willing to embrace any political system he thought would help him improve Vietnam, and would not have allowed himself to become a Soviet or Chicom puppet.

 

However, when the war started, we didn't know that. We didn't even know about the split between the Soviets and the Chicoms I reference above. Our best minds believed in the "Domino theory" under which it was essential that small republics not be allowed to fall under Communist domination even if we had to support bad regimes. Better 50 individual bad regimes than a gigantic united Soviet Asia with its eye on Europe and then the U.S. Americans did what they thought had to be done. It was a mistake, but it was not haring after glory.

 

Yes, there were profiteers who made millions off that war. To say that the rest of us fought it just to give them that chance, though, is slander.

 

Afghanistan was the same thing. If you think the U.S. was the only western nation that didn't want the Soviets to be one weak border away from the ability to roll up Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and others in one offensive, you're kidding yourself. Allowing the Soviets to have that nation was unacceptable, and you're damn right we gave aid to Mujahideen. What would you suggest? Just let the Soviets control three-quarters of the world's oil? Let them hold every European route to Asia? No thanks.

 

What did we do, exactly, to double-cross Usama Bin Laden? What did we do to "make those countries mad?" (I assume that refers to Afghanistan?)

 

What means have we used in this war that were unjustifiable (other than some of the ridiculous things American citizens have been put through?)

[KickChick]

: - ) -: ... have you heard?

 

U.S. immigration officers, the Justice Department secretly chartered a Portuguese jet to deport 131 Pakistani detainees who had been held for months at INS detention facilities around the country. Many of them were “extremely unhappy” about being deported (*I wonder why? ), according to Imran Ali, a Pakistani consular officer. The detainees were escorted to an airport in Louisiana by INS agents from 22 cities across the United States, including Baltimore. They numbered 130 men and 1 woman, officials said. According to Ali, 26 were detainees arrested on immigration violations after Sept 11; 35 had been held on criminal charges, including rape, larceny, burglary and cocaine possession; and most of the remainder were absconders.

 

Oh, and speaking about money ...(seems to be what drives everything in your opinion...)

 

After accepting bids, the government chose to use a Lockheed L-1011 jet offered by a Portuguese company, Air Luxor, for $342,000. Officials involved in the planning estimated that the cost of the entire operation surpassed $500,000.

 

 

[ckdstudent]

Who sells everyone the weapons that they use to kill each other?

 

 

[ZR440]

Countries who need the money.

 

[ This Message was edited by: ZR440 on 2002-07-10 16:12 ]

[Don Gwinn]

Depends on who's buying. We sell a lot of weapons to governments. The Chinese sell a lot as well, and the old parts of the Soviet Union sell to anyone.

 

Is there something immoral about selling weapons?

 

 

[MonkeyNinja]

Our foreign policies are, well seem to be really complex. Yet, they are neseccary, for us to have allies. Just as long as we don't styep on the wrong toes. We have done that way too much as well.

 

In my honest opinion we need to take care of our own peole before we send billions of dollars to foerign aid.

 

MonkeyNinja

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My point is that America thinks it is doing good by helping 'good' countries and fighting 'bad' ones. But there is no such thing as good and bad. To us, what makes money and potential capitalist allies is good, and everything else is bad. The people are force-fed this bull about justice and liberty. Are these wars just? Is that what you call it?

 

I've lost a cousin, an aunt, and countless other relatives and friends to all this bullshit in Pakistan. All because America and Russia decided to make Pakistan and India their chess board. America is a great country, but it's doing some twisted things, and I will NOT smother my opinion for the sake of others' sensitivity.

 

 

[Bitseach]

On 2002-07-07 22:45, G95champ wrote:

 

Well you could only make that comment in America. So think about that.....

 

[ This Message was edited by: G95champ on 2002-07-07 22:55 ]

 

Please note that the chap to whom you are referring is based in Pakistan. So think about THAT... Er, hang on.

 

In the UK you really can say what you like - pretty much. I have always found the difference between America's purported enshrinement of free speech, and her hysterical self-censorship, risible.

 

 

[ZR440]

I'd like to know how we made so much money during WWII as stated in a post above.