Cartoon History of TKD

[KickChick]

For the visually-oriented ... from the KTA

 

Check it out!!!

 

http://winstonstableford.com/TKDCartoon01.htm

 

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[ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2002-07-06 11:45 ]

[hobbitbob]

Cute cartoon. Considering the treatment the Koreans received for the Japanese during the Pacific war its not suprising that the myth of "ancient TKD" continues.

[KickChick]

"There many examples of proliferation of distortion and disinformation in the field of Tae Kwon Do. That is .... the nonsense that TKD is a native ancient Korean martial art. This has been a long-standing cultural and political effort by the Koreans, both abroad and here in the U.S., to expunge from the record, the fact that the origins of Tae Kwon Do are in fact Japanese, NOT Korean. The term itself wasn't coined until 1955. The founders of these styles, which were not founded until after 1945, were either taught their martial art in Japan or Japanese instructors. The founder of Ji Do Kwan, Dr. Kwae Pyung Yoon, received his training in Japan. His style's curriculum uses Japanese forms entirely. The Korean forms that are being practiced in many styles today were not developed until the early 1960's. Until the early 1970's, many Korean styles were using Japanese forms and terminology. The Korean Federations that govern Tae Kwon Do did not exist until the early 1970's. This is not an art that goes back "thousands" of years (even hundreds). At best, it goes back less than 60 years."

 

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[ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2002-07-14 18:49 ]

[ZakariRu]

Whered you get the quote? it was right on the money

 

ive had countless arguments about this with korean stylist, its usually me and a couple of TSD guys vs everyone else at WTF tournaments.

 

[ This Message was edited by: ZakariRu on 2002-07-14 20:28 ]

[Taikudo-ka]

There was an original Korean martial art, based largely on kicking. However, my understanding is that practise had fallen off and that the art was fairly "degraded" from its original, ie not many practitioners and those who did were not of high standard.

 

Modern TKD was pretty much a fresh start, with a VERY large Japanese blood transfusion to get the patient going. It evolved from there so definitely WTF is not "thousands of years old".

 

 

[KickChick]

TKD's was heavily influemced byJapanese karate that was introduced into Korea just after World War II. Efforts "koreanize" the Japanese karate influence have left TKD divided into two entities: a traditional martial art (ITF) and a competitive sport (WTF).

 

There are few written records on ancient Korean history so factual information on Korean martial arts is scarce and sketchy. Because of this, most Korean martial arts writers find something in Korean history to support their claims that TKD has been around for many thousands of years. Many modern masters of the Korean martial arts claim they can trace the origins of their systems back to the dawn of Korean civilization. Unfortunately, virtually all records of the actual techniques of the ancient Korean martial arts were destroyed by the Japanese forces which occupied the Korean Peninsula from 1909-1945.

 

The earliest known names for Korean martial arts that formed the foundation of TKD were Subak or Taekkyon. Taekkyon did not use many stances, but it had very developed kicks, leg jams, and sweeps. The aim in Taekkyon fighting was to defeat the opponent, not to injure him. Kicks were below chest level and most were circular in movement, not straight. Hand techniques were circular movements without using fists. They primarily were used for palm-push blocks and grasping to set an opponent up for a kick attack.

 

As the Japanese arts gained in popularity in Korea, several kwans (schools) that taught Japanese influenced martial arts sprang up in Korea.

 

I won't go into the whole history (in the 1940's) of the 8 Kwans (Korean schools) but in 1953, majority of the kwan masters met and chose "Tae-soo-do" as the name for Korea's developing martial art. Two years later

 

Tae kwon do was formally recognized as a martial art in Korea developed by Gen. Choi Hong Hi. He had developed and taught a new style of Taekkyon he called Tae kwon do to the Korean army, air force, and police. At the time, his TKD was a merely Korean version of Shotokan Karate that he had learned in Japan.

 

An effort to "Koreanize" TKD and remove its Japanese karate connections, and to "competitionalise" Taekwondo ... so these changes were implemented in 1963 .... the beginning of KTA which eventyually I believe became the WTF somewhere along the way.

 

 

 

 

[shaolinprincess]

:pony: cute

 

 

[mastertae]

Though even what you say is to specuation like many aspects of history. For instance General Choi is considered the Father of Taekwondo and actually not the founder. As for Taekwondo being thousands of years ols. No korean believes that it's thousands of years. And many Japanese historians such as Tatashi Saito have theories that say that the Japanese Martial arts like shotokan may have come from the Korean Arts. Historian agree from Japanese records after WWII that Koreans were not allowed to learn their language for roughly 10-12 years starting in 1930. As many people know the Korean Language survived thus it makes sense that some of their art must have survived, but which of the martial arts were original and which are not and did the Japanese take and incorporate some of the Korean arts into their own? These questions are the type of questions historians may ask. and there is no answer a person cannot disprove that shotokan came from an ancient form or madern form of a korean martial art yet they cant prove it did. One thing for sure in which is known fo certainty some korean martial artists during the beginning part of the japenese rule were forced to teach martial arts to japanese troops...thus what did they teach japanese troops? again there will always be questions and never any true answers. As for what I think. My hypothesis is that the Japanese Incorporated many of the Korean arts and the Koreans incorporated many of the Japanese arts. My reasoning with this hypothseis is that when the Romans took over the Greeks both cultures influenced each other to extremes. thus my reasoning is that no matter what both cultures must have influence each other and this influence has lasted for thousands of years for instance writing from ancient korean texts states that at one time koreans taught the Okinawans some of their martial arts during the Chosun dynasty and the Okinawans also shared some of their martial arts. These sharing of cultures I call "intercultural breeding". Also what many people do not realize is that Japanese martial arts beginnings are not known. Most of the Japanese martial arts history is also mased off speculation. I have had the oppurtunity to meet a Korean who lived on the Korean Peninsula during Japanese occupation. He is 73. He was roughly ten yours old at the end of the Japanese occupation. His father taught him martial arts and was told to remember it...like most koreans during that time he did what his father told him. That reply i didn't learn any thing new...all i really knew was he learned martial arts from his father. You can speculate what martial art this man knew but you'll never truly know. History is the same thing you cannot trully know what is fact and what is fiction. What is truth though is that both Japanese and Koreans are working exstensivelt not to prove one or the other right or wrong, but you see koreans during ancient times wrote everything down...its known that they wrote down how to do the martial arts that people did during that time...as you can see if a korean found this piece of korean history it would possibly reawaken a martial arts that many believe to be lost...

[ramymensa]

I've read somewhere that Sokon 'Bushi' Matsumura had something to do with some styles, even TKD. He is impoartan for Shoryn Ryu students, but his activity led to some influences on other styles, including Shotokan and TKD. Hope I'm not wrong.

[ZeRo]

i thought that was very cool. thanks for finding that kickchick