The Origin and Lineage of Tiger Style. (all of them)

[wingedMonkey]

This post will be an overview of the very exhausting research I have done about the tiger style. I don't mean to have anyone offended but this information is all due to the general agreements of several sources.

As I mentioned I won't be posting all the information because it's a lot but just some main points I found. You are all welcome to post more information you may know too. I hope to eventually write a book with all the information I have and places cited for everyone to enjoy.

I decided to do this research after my Sifu who taught me Southern Shaolin Style moved away. I learned about how there were many tiger styles out there but how they all looked extremely similar. Later did I find they were all related.

[wingedMonkey]

here are the main points:

* 13th Century - Jueyuan with the help of Li Sou known as the master of Red Fist, and Bai Yufeng an internal arts master use their combined knowledge to return the internal aspects to shaolin boxing eventually organizing the Five Animal Styles which includes Tiger

* Around 1732 - A tea merchant name Jyu, whom becomes Hung Hei-Gun, learns the tiger style from Jee Sin Sim See (one of the Five Elders that survived destruction of Shaolin from the Qing Dynasty). Which eventually becomes Hung Ga.

* Still during Qing Dynasty - Jee Sin teaches nine other laymen (people learning kung fu not religion) four which along with Hung Hei-Gun become the top five family styles in China. A couple of these styles have their own Tiger forms.

* Others - From this point on others learn tiger style from defectors, families, or just by being laymen. Some examples are:

* Betweem 1910-1919 - Jow Ga is created which incorporates Hung Gar and Choy Gar. having its own forms of tiger.

* 1920's - Wong Cheung learns the Siu Lam Black Tiger style from the monk Fung Ping-Wai, a former shaolin monk, when they work together in Hong Kong. The Black Tiger Martial Arts Association is created because of him.

* Late 19th Century - Shandong Black Tiger Kung Fu originates from Master Wang Zhenyuan who learned tiger at Shaolin at this time.

These are just a couple of examples of the many that are now out there, including one that I am working on. I realized a year after learning southern shaolin tiger style that since it is considered the most external style by Shaolin that it was that main reason that I was able to learn it well because my TaeKwonDo is so external and hardness.

[fujau]

here are the main points:

These are just a couple of examples of the many that are now out there, including one that I am working on. I realized a year after learning southern shaolin tiger style that since it is considered the most external style by Shaolin that it was that main reason that I was able to learn it well because my TaeKwonDo is so external and hardness.

Sorry to offend but this is not intentional but

TKD has no resemblance to kung fu at least WTF you could of done karate for that matter the structure is all wrong the method and understanding is total different .

Ie WTF does not really use the tiger claw the stance does not resemble any kung fu style apart from the hanging stance (cat to some people )

the stance is rather long apart from there first poomsea which is really

not a stable stance and the main principle of scma is the depth of stance and the close quarter range of fighting so tkd is more bias to Northern style type of kung fu with their kicks

And the tkd horse stance is hell of a difference to a hung gar horse stance

look here

this does not reassemble tkd

I put it down to you can pick up forms well which is cool and as long as you keep training hard regardless of style good for you

[wingedMonkey]

I didn't mean as in the styles are the same, I meant as in the way that both are really hard and external, while the tiger style still has some internal aspects, it is still the easiest in my eyes to ease a martial artist into Wushu.

[bushido_man96]

In one book that I read, there was talk about some of the WTF style forms having some influence of some Chuan Fa in them, because of some of the previous training of those on the technical panels that developed those forms. I can look it up later on, and elaborate a bit more, if interested.

[fujau]

In one book that I read, there was talk about some of the WTF style forms having some influence of some Chuan Fa in them, because of some of the previous training of those on the technical panels that developed those forms. I can look it up later on, and elaborate a bit more, if interested.

yeah that would be cool

this what i have found

which does show a transition from kung fu to karate i would of thought if you reverse the roll the other way would of been more beneficial

horses for courses

[bushido_man96]

That was a nice comparative video. Thanks for sharing it.

I'll dig up that bit of information when I get a chance.

[SnakeStrike77]

In one book that I read, there was talk about some of the WTF style forms having some influence of some Chuan Fa in them, because of some of the previous training of those on the technical panels that developed those forms. I can look it up later on, and elaborate a bit more, if interested.

yeah that would be cool

this what i have found

which does show a transition from kung fu to karate i would of thought if you reverse the roll the other way would of been more beneficial

horses for courses

Hello! Was there any other info for this? As we advance further in the ranks we are learning in more detail of these animals, and I would very much enjoy another reference. Much Thanks in advance!!

[bushido_man96]

In one book that I read, there was talk about some of the WTF style forms having some influence of some Chuan Fa in them, because of some of the previous training of those on the technical panels that developed those forms. I can look it up later on, and elaborate a bit more, if interested.

yeah that would be cool

Here is what I found. In The Taegeuk Cipher, the author describes the influence of Quan Fa (which translates to Korean as Kwon Bop).

Yoon Pyung In grew up in the area of Changchun in Manchuria. He was said to have trained under a Mongolian instructor in an art referred to as "Joo An Pa" (Quan Fa), which was a Northern Chinese style.

When Yoon returned to Korea, he called his style "Kwon Bop" and the schools of his lineage, which included the YMCA Kwon Bop Bu, the Chang Moo Kwan, the Kang Duk Won, all featured some Quan Fa forms, including Long and Short Fist forms, a staff form, and some "sticky hands" drills and sweeping and grabbing methods.

So, my question is, is Quan Fa/Chuan Fa similar, just different ways to say the same thing, or two very different things?

[SnakeStrike77]

So, my question is, is Quan Fa/Chuan Fa similar, just different ways to say the same thing, or two very different things?

Much thanks for the info!! From what I gather In Chinese, where these characters are pronounced "quan fa" (sometimes Romanized as "chuan fa" because the Chinese-pinyin "q" actually sounds like an English "ch" sound), It is simply defined as "the law of the fist", or "fist law". I can double check with our Master but for what it's worth our rank certificates say "Ch'uan Fa".