What Katas do you know?

[Espina]

Hahahahahha, I just read the ones that Killer posted

[white owl]

I guess no-body noticed that all these kata names were made up. Just a joke to see if anyone would catch it or not lol...

- Killer -

Katas:

MaiHun KukKou

WatseiMai Sho and Dai

TekkiEigo 1-3

Kitsuwiki Dai

EidoNou Sho

WatsuUpi Heans

- Killer -

Every one is different, I thought you were just a little unique.

[Espina]

Do you guys know if there is any Indian katas? I mean, I once heard that the martial arts started in India. Now I'm wondering (wandering?) if there is like the most ancient kata, and if it's indian or not.

..but that's a nice question too: which kata do you think is the oldest one?

[Killer Miller]

As I recall in one of the books, either Go Rin No Sho (Book of 5 rings), or Funikoshi's Karate-do My Way of Life, it mentions that modern karate was made up from an India wrestling art for the low stances and Jujitsu with the higher stance and open hand techniques. But I think it was just more of a wrestling thing and not an actual MA.

- Killer -

[granitemiller]

I saw a show on Discovery on Indian Martial Arts. Mostly wrestling based. I think that when it went to China that the katas were started. I could be wrong of course.

Within the Okinawan-China katas, I believe Bassai is the oldest, as there is a 400 year old (carbon dated) tapestry that has images of people doing this kata.

[granitemiller]

Killer - I saw your posted Katas and got a laugh out of it, I just didn't comment.

[Killer Miller]

Yea, I figured the traditional shotokan guys would have spotted it right off lol...

- Killer -

Killer - I saw your posted Katas and got a laugh out of it, I just didn't comment.

[Traymond]

With the term bassai I find it funny that Funakoshi had to change it to please the Japanese people, since the Japanese people did not want a kata named after an okinawan family, Passai.

[granitemiller]

It was pre-war Japan - a time when the Japanese were overly-nationalistic (and mind you, it was not just them who were like this, but most of the world).

Even today, mainland Japanese tend to look down on the Okinawan people.

Funakoshi made other changes, such as changing the kanji for Kara from "China" to "Open", again to make it more appealing to the mainland Japanese (who were invading China at the time). He also changed other names of kata.

[Traymond]

It was pre-war Japan - a time when the Japanese were overly-nationalistic (and mind you, it was not just them who were like this, but most of the world).

Even today, mainland Japanese tend to look down on the Okinawan people.

Funakoshi made other changes, such as changing the kanji for Kara from "China" to "Open", again to make it more appealing to the mainland Japanese (who were invading China at the time). He also changed other names of kata.

Oh I know, thats where the base names of most of the dachi same from. And he even changed alot of the pronunciation, in okinawa they say dach, in Japan they say Dachi. And I hate to say it because its going to get alot of mixed feelings, but I think when Funakoshi took his Karate to japan it got watered down, like when I see a 'okinawan' Based Shotokan Practiconer vs. a "japan" based practitioner, the okinawan has better form and more traditional movements.