coltmakai Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 What is the twin guard block for (also called the double knife hand). Is it simply a guard position?
G95champ Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 Think of breaking a choke hold or a person grabbing your shoulders or something. If we are talking about the same move that is the general teaching. However if you redirect it a bit you can work a X choke with it as well. Then it can be showing a block if 2 people are attacking you. The thing is with any block there is a simple reason and many many more that it can be used for it you just rethink it a bit. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Bretty101 Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 Are we talking about twin block with one arm as a rising block and the other as a block to the front/side? Like the first move of Won Hyo? San Palmok Makki? Like this pic i just found doing a google search. http://www.reidstkd.com/ref/patterns/wonhyo/wonhyo_1.jpg There are several applications for this move. Exaple 1: A block from 2 attacks, a downward strike and an attack to the side. or Example 2: defense from a bear hug. Cross your arms so they are inside the attackers arms and break into the blocking position (highlights the importance of crossing your arms and doing the whole blocking motion) . If you complete the Won Hyo 3 move combination you can throw you attacker and break their arm. Example 3: Is an armlock. your rising arm twists an attackers grasp upwards as your lead arm locks out their joint. you can effectively hold someone up on tip-toes in pain. Obviously applications won't be quite the same as moves performed in patterns. Fists often represent where you may ba grabbing someone or applying an arm lock etc. Thes moves are made to look pretty in forms. Bretty [ This Message was edited by: Bretty101 on 2002-07-07 16:12 ]
Jack Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 Bretty no, that is a different block - very interesting read though! The Double Knifehand Block is the one in which both of your hands are in a Knifehand shape (hence the name), and the rear hand is covering your solar plexus whilst the front hand is infront like a middle section block, but with the hand flipped over in a knife shape not a fist. Hope that makes enough sense for you to understand which move is meant. JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
G95champ Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 We call the double knife hand when we use both hand to do knife hand blocks. The one Jack is talking about is our normal knife hand postion. The Double Knife Hand is from like a Horse stance with both arms out in from pushing the attackers hands off to each side. Like from the choke as I stated above. However I am a Shotokan guy the Korean version may be under a differant name. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Jack Posted July 6, 2002 Posted July 6, 2002 Plus there are differences in name between schools and organizations. Very confusing. JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
Bretty101 Posted July 7, 2002 Posted July 7, 2002 On 2002-07-04 12:54, Jack wrote: ...Bretty no, that is a different block - very interesting read though! The Double Knifehand Block is the one in which both of your hands are in a Knifehand shape (hence the name), and the rear hand is covering your solar plexus ... Sorry mate totally missed out the knifehand bit. The block in the picture is twin forearm block. Twin knife hand block would be the same but with open hands. And Knifehand GUARDING block would cover your solar plexus. Sonkal Debbi makki? I think thats right!! I can't really think of any applications for why you use knifehand twin block rather then forearm other then it looks very pretty. Bretty
Jack Posted July 11, 2002 Posted July 11, 2002 On 2002-07-07 16:07, Bretty101 wrote: Sonkal Debbi makki? It's called Chungdan Debbi Makki in our club, Chungdan being chest - just think of normal chest/middle section block, then think of the one with both arms (one arm supporting the blocking arm), now think of that with knifehands and the rear hand guarding the solar plexus. Wouldn't it be great if there was a uniform terminology for Taekwondo? JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
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