Was there outstanding west man amongst martial arts creators

[bushido_man96]

Bushido_man96,

If I could have spelled Licthenhauer without seeing it infront of me, I would have.

There are others too, but with the Western cultural tendancy to disgard the old and take up the new as warfare changed, not many have survived the passage of time and fighting methodology.

If you check out the website https://www.thearma.org, you can see some of the work being done on that end to preserve the Western Martial Tradition. I just wish there was a group near to me that I could work with. Right now, all I do is read up on the stuff.

[bushido_man96]

Here is a title that I will be checking out very shortly: http://www.paladin-press.com/product/964/47

It should offer some good information on the subject of Western Fighting systems.

[jaddensinn]

Which I think that's why most major advances in ma's are in the realms of distilling specific movments for what you want and working them in to more efficient methods for accomplishing your goal. You can also see advances in training methods and more efficinet drill work.

I think that hits the nail on the head in many ways. After reading the first post of this thread, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace came to mind for me. He created what is known as the "Superfoot System" and while it isn't anything "new" in terms of martial arts the system is based around fighting in a certain way and using certain techniques to their highest advantage.

[KarateOx]

I often wondered about western martial arts. I mean, we were raised with the mystique of Asian Martial arts, and that's what we have accepted. Anything that is created here is often times looked down upon. The Defendo system, for example. I am not sure who created it (have a mental picture, but no name. Bald guy, mustach). My martial arts teacher laughed at these systems because they had no heritage, no history, no anything. "Just a bunch of techniques thrown together by some guy who wanted to say he created something". I knew A LOT of people who felt this way about new "systems", and have to admit, some times they were right. However, I don't think that way anymore. Why NOT create a system? I mean, to create something for no reason other then to be famous is pretty much pointless, as it's effectiveness, or lack of, will probably come out sooner or later. However, if someone has a great idea, something totally different, in delivery if not in technique, then why not? I wonder if many Western innovators feel this pressure from the "traditional" guys and just kind've keep quiet about their arts.

[bushido_man96]

Here is the Defendo web page: http://www.defendo.com/

In the history section, it states that its roots are in Defendu (which is what I was thinking of when you mentioned it), which was put together by Willam E. Fairbairn.

I'm not sure that a lot of Western MAist really care what the Eastern mindset is about what they may have put together. I just think we don't hear alot of hub bub out of them because they aren't concerned with touting their historical aspects, or spiritual development, and the like.

[Preacher]

Traymond- Frank Dux - Dux Ryu

Boris- Frank Dux! Yes, he is a legend...

Just for some general knowledge sharing, and I would be open to discussion on this topic somewhat, but Frank Dux made quite a few bold claims which appear to be fabricated. However that is my opinion based on the copius information available to research.

To say he is a pioneer is truly a disservice in my opinion.

[dwarf2]

Would farmer burns be considered because he put together a grappling system and sold it accross the US . I think these people like him made a name like him in grappling , or possibly judo gene lebelle. No holds barred is a very old term and i think that farmer burns was a genius and his wrestling books are great reading.