mcmillintkd Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Tong Il is way above my present rank but I am doing research on it for a paper. It is surprising how much material there is on the lower forms but how little information there is on the later form although I don't think I should be surprised. Many people do the earlier forms and only a select do the last form. I am not researching how the form goes but rather about the form. The history of that form and perhaps anything that talks about the whole Chang Hon hyung set. Korean unification as it applies to TKD. There is surprisingly very little so any help would be good. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have very little experience with Tong Il myself, but, something that you may look into is trying to compare some of the sequences of movements to those from other Karate forms, and see where the similarities (if any) lie. There are noticible similarities in some of the lower forms, and it may be so with this one, as well. It may help give you an idea of where it came from. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWx Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 If you're looking at the history behind the form, i.e. the meaning of it: http://www.visiontkd.co.uk/patterns/patternhist2.htm#tongAs with most TKD history its to do with post WWII and Korean political history. Not so sure about the history of the creation of the form. It was one of the original 20 that were created though and in most cases its listed as the last form in the set. You could try General Choi's memoirs? Don't know what's in there but it may give you an insight into the why the unification was so important to him.For the Chang Hong set as a whole, TKDTutor is pretty good: http://tkdtutor.com/10Patterns/PatternHistory/PatternHistory03.htmOn the last page of the article he also links to photos which compare the Heian katas to some of the TKD forms. "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmillintkd Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 I know the standard definition of Tong Il.Tong Il denotes the unification of Korea which has been divided into two.The diagram represents the homogenous race.I have the definition of why there is 24 forms.The Reason for 24 PatternsThe life of a human being, perhaps 100 years, can be considered as aday when compared with eternity.Therefore, we mortals are no more thansimple travelers who pass by the eternal years of an eon in a day. Itis evident that no one can live more than a limited amount of time.Nevertheless, most people foolishly enslave themselves to materialismas if they could live for thousands of years. And some people striveto bequeath a good spiritual legacy for coming generations, in thisway, gaining immortality. Obviously, the spirit is perpetual whilematerial is not; therefore, what we can do to leave behind somethingfor the welfare of mankind is, perhaps, the most important thing inour lives.Here I leave Taekwon-Do for mankind as a trace of man of the late 20thcentury. The 24 patterns represent 24 hours, one day, or all my life.The name of the pattern, the number of movements, and the diagrammaticsymbol of each pattern symbolizes either heroic figures in Koreanhistory or instances relating to historical events.General Choi, Hong HiI have academic papers that I can use to support the concept of aunified Korea. I have non-TKD related information about the Koreanhomogenous race.I have been told that the certain moves have meaning such as:#1 = 1 Country#2 = Divided#3 Suddenly attacked#38 = Breaking the 38th Parallel.The different stamping moves denotes the frustration over the countrybeing divided.I have been told by different GMs that Tong Il is:1. The last form and to be considered the last form.or2. Tong Il is the summation of all of one's TKD training.Several GMs and Masters have stated that by the time one reaches TongIl that the importance is not the Taekwon but rather the Do. Oneshould have the meanings of what TKD stands for and how one shouldlive (be living?).The first of these puts Taekwon Do as a more physical with much morepracticality. The second seems to be more of an ethical understandingof what Taekwon Do is (oh, my particular interests is ethics so I mayhave clouded thinking there but I have this whole idea aboutAristotlean virtue ethics and Chang Hon Taekwon Do but I digress).Do you know anything that I might add? Did General Choi ever talkabout Tong Il either from a practical point of view of how to performit? or just about the ramifications of what it stood for?It Tong Il is indeed the totality of one's formal TKD training then isthere anything you would add to this idea? or anything that GeneralChoi talked about. I have access to most of the books (MasterMitchell's, Mr. Anslow's, the encyclopedia ...et. al.). If there isanything else that perhaps I should look into then let me know. Ihave to admit that I went through the forum at Kidokwan .I think at this point I am looking for anything that isn't in a bookor article (though please let me know of any books or articles thatyou think I should read) but more of a personal reflection of Tong Il,Chang Hon, or General Choi (in reference to Tong Il or Chang Hon).Truth be told I would take any little of sliver of information atthis point.I have an understanding of where this paper is going and I am down tothe crunch of writing it. However this is just the beginning of myinquiry into this topic. I should be testing for my 2nd dan thissummer so perhaps this inquiry will take the next 20 years as I workmy way toward Tong Il. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isshinryu5toforever Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I think you need to do some research in Eastern philosophy. Read the Tao De Jing, maybe the Analects of Confucius. This is the way they are referring to. As far as Tong-il, don't just take the meaning of the word. Think about what it means to the people of Korea. They were forcibly split 60 years ago. Families have been fractured, tensions have always been mounting, and neither side wants to admit any wrong-doing or ill-will. They are both Korean in different ways. The "Han" spirit, the passion is all part of Tong-il. I don't know the form, and I haven't extensively studied TKD, but I was an East Asian Studies major, and I am a Korean currently living in Korea. As an adoptee, living here for the past year has shown me a lot of what it means to be Korean. The word Tong-il means reunification, it means to put back together. I think you need to try to discuss the emotional properties tied to the word, and what it truly means to be put together. The idea that a country, or a person is fractured, and must be mended. Two opposing sides must be reconciled to reach an understanding. It's the nature of this country, as well as the nature of man. He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened.- Tao Te Ching"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."- Sun Tzu, the Art of War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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