Old fashioned karate ?

[Karatefighter]

Hi, I am a new guy here.

I would like to know what old fashioned karate looks like ?

The kind of karate that was used in combat in war.

Are there books I can buy to study on old fashioned karate ?

What kind of karate style studys the old combat karate methods ?

I want to study the real hardcore karate methods. Thanks.

[bushido_man96]

Welcome to the Forums.

From what I have read on the history of Karate, it was developed for the most part as a civilian-based self-defense system. You could look into research on Tuite or Touidi, or Naha-Te. It also has some Chinese style influences as well, notably White Crane, and I think Chuan Fa, but I might be off there.

Jujitsu was more of a combat-based system, as it is the modern incarnation of what was taught to the Samurai for hand-to-hand.

I am no Karate expert, by any stretch, but this is what I have garnered from my reading. Others probably have better info for you.

I hope this helps out.

[Wa-No-Michi]

This is not a bad place to start.

https://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/023/eng/001/001/index.html

WNM

[joesteph]

https://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/023/eng/001/001/index.html

An excellent site, Michi, not only for Karatefighter but for anyone interested in karate's history; I bookmarked it. The video on the first page was especially enjoyable.

And welcome to the forums, Karatefighter!

[The BB of C]

Hi, I am a new guy here.

I would like to know what old fashioned karate looks like ?

The kind of karate that was used in combat in war.

Are there books I can buy to study on old fashioned karate ?

What kind of karate style studys the old combat karate methods ?

I want to study the real hardcore karate methods. Thanks.

I'd say it's probably more of a way of training than anything else. Where you got the crap beaten out of you every day by your instructors and peers, where you beat the crap out of yourself every day and all day, katas all day every day, conditioning all day every day. The whole deal.

[tallgeese]

Very nice site, Michi. Even for me .

[Karatefighter]

Thank you for the great welcome. That is a nice karate website. I bookmarked it in my favorites.

Like Judo was first written by K. Mifune titled " Canon of Judo "

Any early written karate texts you can recommend that I can buy on Barnes and Nobles or Amazon.com to read in English please ?

I am curious. What was the very first book written about karate ?

[tallgeese]

That's kind of a tough one, and there are probibly better people on thei site to answer it than me. There were plenty of old text about combat, at what point it becomes specifically "karate" is beyond me.

You might want to check out The Bubishi, it's an old translated ma text. Pretty good if memory serves. I think it dates back a ways.

[Wa-No-Michi]

tg's right really..where do you start? The bubishi pre-dates Karate or at least Karate in its codified form.

If its Karate history books you are interested in, then perhaps Harry Cook or Serge Mol might throw up a few positives.

Bushi's our resident bookworm though, so he's probably the best qualified.

[Karatefighter]

Is this what you are talking about ?

http://www.dragon-tsunami.org/Dtimes/Pages/article17.htm

http://www.goju-ryu.info/Misc/Bubishi/tabid/59/Default.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Karate-Bubishi-Patrick-McCarthy/dp/0804820155