Fa ging

[moriniuk]

All very true. As Tai Chi master Cheng Man Ching said, "there are no secrets".

The difficult thing is to apply all this physics.

To the untrained eye, and even the trained eye, two different people's techniques will look almost identical.

It's that last 1% that will make one of these techniques "feel" very different.

[bushido_man96]

I also agree that staying relaxed is the key to efficient movement. I don't know of any style that teaches otherwise, really.

What gets me from the initial video is that the pad wasn't even penetrated; therefore, I don't see how any power could have penetrated the holder's body.

[fujau]

To be honest, my interpretation of chi (ki) probably differs from yours fujau, but I can't help sense from your posts that you are trying to suggest that somehow Chinese arts have a deeper understanding of the "ethereal" strengths contained within ma.

Its all about basic physics at the end of the day, with the right mindset and good honest training.

Sorry Wa No Mich

My post was not intended to be bias to any country what so ever. And I not going to be pulled into any style bias here either.

My initial question was do karate have fa ging or slight vibration when struck. It was a genuine interest in Karate as I have seen the masters perform and some were talking about Ki. Thats all plain and simple

It was a general interest in Karate

can anyone point me in the direction

of a good example is the kiai punches in Naihanchi Shodan as suggested by unknownstyle

Ive heard of professional boxers sometimes get the energy transfer when they punch as well

bushido_man96

I have been hit through the pad like that myself but I ended up on the floor Explain it i cant. feel it i can. Not a nice feeling I am not a physics teacher to explain

[fujau]

Also how is energy produce from a punch does the power originate from the hips like a whip or does it get produce from rooting in the stance with a slight sink

many thanks

[Wa-No-Michi]

Also how is energy produce from a punch does the power originate from the hips like a whip or does it get produce from rooting in the stance with a slight sink

To say that power is produced one way and one way only would be wrong.

Does power come from the hips... yes but not solely.

Do you have to be correctly rooted to the floor?... depends on how much pushing power you want your technique to produce. Think about trying to push a car without a good solid footing.

Do you always have to be firmly connected to the floor?... no but the techniques used here tend to be less powerful (in terms of pushing power) but use greater speed / timing and more direct targeting to more vulnerable points - Atemi Waza. Thus less penetration is required in order to achieve the desired effect.

In answer to your question I dont think there is any specific name for these types of punches. A variety of techniques could be applied this way.

Unknownstyle chooses a good Kata in Naihanchi, as it is practiced in order to train "Sharp" power techniques using the smallest amount of hip rotation.

I have heard some instructors call these punches "choku-tsuki" which means direct thrust because of it very immediate and fast application.

Wado's Tobikomi tsuki and Nagashi tsuki utilise the same principles.

[bushido_man96]

bushido_man96

I have been hit through the pad like that myself but I ended up on the floor Explain it i cant. feel it i can. Not a nice feeling I am not a physics teacher to explain

I have been hit through a pad, as well. It requires a fluid shock wave type of attack or motion to really penetrate like that.

What I have not felt is a bag be tapped, and then the energy being dispersed into me.

[Wa-No-Michi]

the closest thing i know of in my system that would cause devastatiob to the organs would be what we call 7 10 punches. what i does is the punch hit slower than it is recoiled and it causes the organs to be spread apart and as you withdraw they snap back together causing extreme pain. a good example is the kiai punches in Naihanchi Shodan

You can apply additional "trauma" to the area being punched if you combine a circular (usually downward) motion to your 7/10 punch.

In my group, this will often be referred to as - leaving the energy in your opponent, but as Bushido_man suggests, you have to put it in there in the first place.

[fujau]

this is what i found

IMAO i can see the power generation but it does look a exaggerated and looks like he is trying to go fast loosing technique

where this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Y_Lpf985c

imao

looks better small hip movement nice power generation looks firmer and show more intent in the power is this the shortest range of techniques in wado ie the distance in striking

I dont know who these guys are as I am not in the Karate circles

again general interest in karate and in power generation

[Wa-No-Michi]

this is what i found

IMAO i can see the power generation but it does look a exaggerated and looks like he is trying to go fast loosing technique

where this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Y_Lpf985c

imao

looks better small hip movement nice power generation looks firmer and show more intent in the power is this the shortest range of techniques in wado ie the distance in striking

I don't know who these guys are as I am not in the Karate circles

again general interest in karate and in power generation

Hi fujau,

They are from two different systems, so they will be performed differently.

The Wado version is (as you can see) performed by Hiroji Fukazawa who is a senior instructor with Mr Suzuki's group - Wado Kokusai Karate-Do Remni.

In answer to your question, there are other short range techniques (shorter than the ones shown), but I think it is important to remember that the moves we have talked about so far (in Karate anyway) are techniques in Katas.

Without going into detail about why Katas are performed, in short the techniques shown in these Katas are not necessarily how they are performed in application.

Perhaps a better example can be seen in some of these paired katas. Kihon Kumite as these are called, contain many short range techniques (for in fighting), but again bear in mind these are katas so the further application could be different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_HJDQWpOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyZoqPYXIM&feature=related

Enjoy

[fujau]

this is what i found

IMAO i can see the power generation but it does look a exaggerated and looks like he is trying to go fast loosing technique

where this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Y_Lpf985c

imao

looks better small hip movement nice power generation looks firmer and show more intent in the power is this the shortest range of techniques in wado ie the distance in striking

I don't know who these guys are as I am not in the Karate circles

again general interest in karate and in power generation

Hi fujau,

They are from two different systems, so they will be performed differently.

The Wado version is (as you can see) performed by Hiroji Fukazawa who is a senior instructor with Mr Suzuki's group - Wado Kokusai Karate-Do Remni.

In answer to your question, there are other short range techniques (shorter than the ones shown), but I think it is important to remember that the moves we have talked about so far (in Karate anyway) are techniques in Katas.

Without going into detail about why Katas are performed, in short the techniques shown in these Katas are not necessarily how they are performed in application.

Perhaps a better example can be seen in some of these paired katas. Kihon Kumite as these are called, contain many short range techniques (for in fighting), but again bear in mind these are katas so the further application could be different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_HJDQWpOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyZoqPYXIM&feature=related

Enjoy

I thought there was only one wado ryu at least it was back in the 80 s when I used to fight you guys

thanks for the vids intresting