Withers M.A.A. Posted June 22, 2002 Posted June 22, 2002 I'm sorry I totally disagree with this 100%. In this country to get the death penalty you have to usually kill more than once. The media talks about this like he is an innocent person with a low IQ who doesn't know right from wrong. Well why don't they tell us exactly who he killed and the families he's destroyed. I'm a firm believer in an eye for an eye. If you kill someone they you should also be killed. Also, if I were to kill someone with this rediculous rule I would just play stupid. If given an IQ test I would fail on purpose that way I wouldn't be killed. 2nd Degree black belt in Kenpo Karate and Tae Kwon Do. 1997 NASKA competitor-2nd place Nationally in Blackbelt American Forms. Firearms activist!
Bon Posted June 24, 2002 Posted June 24, 2002 Heh, IQ tests are flawed really. They're not a good indication of intelligence, IQ tests have been specifically designed so that people who do well academically do well in IQ tests. IQ tests are good for selecting people who wish to enter a certain school or University, but are not a good measure of people's intelligence. I don't believe you don't have to do well academically to be intelligent. Also, what about the people who have never made the effort at school unlike others, so their brain isn't trained the same way as people who do 5 hours of study a night ? *shrugs*, as far as I'm concerned, if a person kills someone with a gun or in any other way, they must have known what the result was going to be, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. It takes sacrifice to be the best.There are always two choices, two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.
Bitseach Posted June 24, 2002 Author Posted June 24, 2002 Bon, AFAIK there are tests that now can take into account academic ability and can be used despite "learning support" needs such as dyslexia. So far, that's been the main content of the yells of opposition - that people will now fake their tests. It was estimated that around 5% of executions were on people of low mental capacity. Personally I am not supportive of the death penalty, especially in its present form, where political expediency is often pushed in importance above the circumstances of the case, a situation exacerbated in my view, by the bizarre practice of political appointments to the judiciary in the US. I am also worried by the racial imbalance in death-row inmates and some of the funding anomalies in different counties that lead to some defendants not even having access to DNA evidence as it costs too much! I also reckon the US is in bad company in the top-5 countries for executions: China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran and Iraq are their bedfellows! Who knew they would all have so much in common?! _____________________________________ The law in its infinite Majesty,’ Anatole France once observed, ‘prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing bread, begging in the street & sleeping under bridges’ _____________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~My karma will run over your dogma~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ti-Kwon-Leap Posted June 24, 2002 Posted June 24, 2002 Mental capacity aside, the death penalty is grossly immoral simply because it cannot and has not been applied fairly. Many innocent people have been executed before they have been proven innocent by latent evidence such as DNA, etc. There is no excuse for murdering innocent people, PERIOD. Ti-Kwon-Leap"Annoying the ignorant since 1961"
Deirou Kuzan Posted June 25, 2002 Posted June 25, 2002 There is no excuses for murdering people that aren't innocent either... It really makes me mad, I never knew people were actually killed for doing something bad. I thought they just went to jail. Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not die, so do other creatures. - Dalai Lama ==========================*I am Hiya, just changed my name*
shotochem Posted June 25, 2002 Posted June 25, 2002 If murderers stopped killing, capital punsihment would not be necessary....... Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
SilverLink Posted June 26, 2002 Posted June 26, 2002 I've got mixed feeling about this topic... On one hand, I'm not too big on the "eye-for-an-eye"... I don't know why... To me it just seems like sinking to their level... We're condemming them, for something that we will do to them... It's hypocritical!!! However, saying that. There are some occasions where the deth penilty would be (for lack of better term) "Fitting". For Example. A few years ago in my city, there was a man named Paul Bernardo. This man was a dick to put it bluntly. One night about 10 min. drive from my house he stopped at a Macs Milk and followed a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL home to her house. The girl was locked out of her house because she missed her curfew I think, and so she went into her backyark to stay for the night. Paul secretely crept into her yard, kidnapped her, raped her, and killed her and hacked up her body and dumped it into a lake. But Wait! Theres More! Paul did this alongside his wife. He later did the same thing to another 15 year old girl. This man was sick and should have been put to death. But because Canada doesn't allow for the death penilty, he just serves a life sentence. You tell me he doesn't deserve to die after raping and murdering two TEENAGE GIRLS. You tell me, or their families why their daughtes deserved to die, but he doesn't after taking their lives and ruening many others. So I guess what I'm getting at is, Under extream circumstances like the above, I surrpet Capital Punnishment... But that's about it... Guess that's my 50th of a doller. Sorry to those that are upset by the story or anything I said... All I'm stating is my opinion... Not trying to fuel an arguement, hurt anyones feeling or anything... The past cannot be changed,But the Future can be shaped,And with faith and dedication,Happyness will be yours.It is Now and Forever Shall Be.
Deirou Kuzan Posted June 26, 2002 Posted June 26, 2002 geesh that's really nasty. i don't get why ppl would do such a thing, yeah i would wish him dead. Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not die, so do other creatures. - Dalai Lama ==========================*I am Hiya, just changed my name*
Blade13 Posted June 27, 2002 Posted June 27, 2002 I support the death penalty in pretty much all cases, but I would change parts of it if I could. The main thing I would change is the execution methods. I think they should die in the same way that they killed their victims. If they tortured their victim to death, we should do the same to them. If it was a quick death, then they should get the same. Im a very big "eye for an eye" person.
Deirou Kuzan Posted June 27, 2002 Posted June 27, 2002 but Blade, what if the murderer killed someone by slicing a part of the victim off little by little? Then someone would have to do the exact same thing to the murderer, and i doubt anyone would wanna do that... ewww. [ This Message was edited by: Deirou Kuzan on 2002-06-27 14:10 ] Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not die, so do other creatures. - Dalai Lama ==========================*I am Hiya, just changed my name*
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