which style?

[RichardZ]

Hung Gar closed fist resembles Shotokan. All the closed fist styles of Kung Fu resemble Karate, they are very similar. The confusion I feel is too many people see KF as animal styles only, which is incorrect

Nice post. All too many times people have to associate Kung Fu with either the animals or Shaolin.

Edited November 18, 2009 by RichardZ

[Sokusen]

Uechi-ryu is directly from China. Kanbun Uechi traveled to China and learned Pangi-noon from Sushiwa which he brought back to Okinawa and was eventually renamed by his seniors as Uechi-ryu. I would think as a general rule that any Karate style that incorporates Sanchin into its system has roots to China.

[RichardZ]

Uechi-ryu is directly from China. Kanbun Uechi traveled to China and learned Pangi-noon from Sushiwa which he brought back to Okinawa and was eventually renamed by his seniors as Uechi-ryu. I would think as a general rule that any Karate style that incorporates Sanchin into its system has roots to China.

Good Point. However, could it be said that any Chinese art has any section of sanchin, and yoga-like methods stem from India? Hmmnnnn

[Sokusen]

Yes you could but I don't consider what I study is from India. At some point techniques are so far removed from the original birthplace that it no longer has any relevance. Even though Uechi is directly from China I would be willing to bet that the Okinawa influences, in a relatively short amount of time, have changed it so that it doesn’t look like the original Panginoon. In fact I bet in another 100 years or so what is being taught in America will look different then what is being taught in Okinawa.

I have heard that the martial arts began in India as you mentioned, and I'm not challenging that statement. But where are the Indian styles of today? Where are the Indian forms of Sanchin? Are there any?

[RichardZ]

I have heard that the martial arts began in India as you mentioned, and I'm not challenging that statement. But where are the Indian styles of today? Where are the Indian forms of Sanchin? Are there any?

It is just like you said:

...have changed it so that it doesn’t look like the original

The sanskrit term for Sanchin, I think is trisatyabhumi (?)

http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9293&highlight=trisatyabhumi

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_China.htm

Interesting that San, in either Chinese or Japanese, can be taken to mean "3".

For India, this had Buddhist/Yoga links to mean "three jewels", some say a reference to the Dharma, Buddha, and Sangha.

[Ichi_Geki]

Well actually Richard chinese for three actually sounds like "Sahm" Instead of "Sahn".

Sanchin, Seirui, and Sanseiryu are all from Pan gai nun, Shinyu Gushi Sensei is the leader of the main Pan Gai Nun sect in the Unites states. I actually learned my jiwa kata through him. (Gushi no Jiwa).

Teruo Hayashi learned his White crane form from Go genki, and he revised it to make his own form. "Hayashi Hakkaku" which is the main style I use for crane, instead of Hohaku Or Haku Tsuru which Matayoshi Sensei also learned from Go Genki but kept it within the whole form he learned it in.

It is safe to say most kobudo kata with "Kun" in it referring to the Bo came from china since the okinawa term Kun means rules, and chinese kun means stick. Typically Pronounced as "goon" tho.

[RichardZ]

Well actually Richard chinese for three actually sounds like "Sahm" Instead of "Sahn".

Sanchin, Seirui, and Sanseiryu are all from Pan gai nun, Shinyu Gushi Sensei is the leader of the main Pan Gai Nun sect in the Unites states. I actually learned my jiwa kata through him. (Gushi no Jiwa).

Teruo Hayashi learned his White crane form from Go genki, and he revised it to make his own form. "Hayashi Hakkaku" which is the main style I use for crane, instead of Hohaku Or Haku Tsuru which Matayoshi Sensei also learned from Go Genki but kept it within the whole form he learned it in.

It is safe to say most kobudo kata with "Kun" in it referring to the Bo came from china since the okinawa term Kun means rules, and chinese kun means stick. Typically Pronounced as "goon" tho.

Indeed, phonetically speaking Asian lanuages have differences, but are very close. Now this is not to state that each can communicate.

The roots of languages intwine although there arte branches.

[Ichi_Geki]

Well actually Richard chinese for three actually sounds like "Sahm" Instead of "Sahn".

Sanchin, Seirui, and Sanseiryu are all from Pan gai nun, Shinyu Gushi Sensei is the leader of the main Pan Gai Nun sect in the Unites states. I actually learned my jiwa kata through him. (Gushi no Jiwa).

Teruo Hayashi learned his White crane form from Go genki, and he revised it to make his own form. "Hayashi Hakkaku" which is the main style I use for crane, instead of Hohaku Or Haku Tsuru which Matayoshi Sensei also learned from Go Genki but kept it within the whole form he learned it in.

It is safe to say most kobudo kata with "Kun" in it referring to the Bo came from china since the okinawa term Kun means rules, and chinese kun means stick. Typically Pronounced as "goon" tho.

Indeed, phonetically speaking Asian lanuages have differences, but are very close. Now this is not to state that each can communicate.

The roots of languages intwine although there arte branches.

Just like with the martial arts.

[RichardZ]

True-indeed.

Also, some time ago, I as amazed how Spanish was close to Italian.

[Ichi_Geki]

Indeed. I am korean, but I speak japanese and have chiense friends...its very similar...