Does Wado Ryu have a lot of Ju Jitsu in it?

[bushido_man96]

That is a very nice technical overview of the application, jaedeshi. It just goes to show that many different ideas of fighting have some of the same principles.

[Zanshin]

Have found this on you tube. Not a great example of Wado or Kenjutsu for that matter, but sort of helps clarify what we are talking about.

Watch the "shidachi" (the one that delivers the fatal cut) turn out of the line of the "uchidachi' (person who receives the fatal cut), by removing his left hip out of the line of the cut.

The technique shown (without the Hakama) is a "sort of" version of Wado's Kihon Gumite number one.

In general, I agree with the premise that there are no martial techniques that are unique to any given style but, teaching strategies or methods/reasons of practice do vary.

In this case, the formation of Wado's "Nagashi-tsuki" comes as a result of the "pedagogy" that Otsuka sensei developed when he created Wado-Ryu. When you bear in mind he was a master koryu (old school/battle-field) Ju-jutsu-ka (and consequently an accomplished swordsman) even before he had heard of the Okinwan art of To-de (karate), there is no wonder that he applied his processes of learning to the Wado curriculum.

It doesn't make it any better or worse than the next style, but guaranteed, the wado person will move differently as a result.

[bushido_man96]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that. The movements seem so subtle, but when they stand and hold the position, you see how far off line the defender really is.

[Zanshin]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that. The movements seem so subtle, but when they stand and hold the position, you see how far off line the defender really is.

Indeed, with one very simple movement. Mind you looks easy. Its flippin hard to perfect though.

[bushido_man96]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that. The movements seem so subtle, but when they stand and hold the position, you see how far off line the defender really is.

Indeed, with one very simple movement. Mind you looks easy. Its flippin hard to perfect though.

Yes, this I understand.

[swadoryu2000]

Well, Hironori Ohtsuka Did take some ju jitsu before he developed Wado-Ryu. So if you look hard in the Wado-Ryu katas, you will find some throws. I practice Wado-Ryu karate, and I know some katas with throwing applications, or can-be throws. So yes, there are a hint of ju jitsu in the katas.

[wouldbemaster]

Wado is far more ju jitsu than karate which is hardly unusual when you think of where it comes from. Most power generation of moves that look like karate are fundamentally ju jitsu in origion.

Just for the record the initial post talked about Master Otsuka wanting to study karate to gain more power into punches etc but again the ju jitsu style he was a grand master of was an atemi (striking) style with far more pressure point application than in shotokan being taught by funakoshi.

Hope you find this useful.

[Throwdown0850]

Have found this on you tube. Not a great example of Wado or Kenjutsu for that matter, but sort of helps clarify what we are talking about.

Watch the "shidachi" (the one that delivers the fatal cut) turn out of the line of the "uchidachi' (person who receives the fatal cut), by removing his left hip out of the line of the cut.

The technique shown (without the Hakama) is a "sort of" version of Wado's Kihon Gumite number one.

In general, I agree with the premise that there are no martial techniques that are unique to any given style but, teaching strategies or methods/reasons of practice do vary.

In this case, the formation of Wado's "Nagashi-tsuki" comes as a result of the "pedagogy" that Otsuka sensei developed when he created Wado-Ryu. When you bear in mind he was a master koryu (old school/battle-field) Ju-jutsu-ka (and consequently an accomplished swordsman) even before he had heard of the Okinwan art of To-de (karate), there is no wonder that he applied his processes of learning to the Wado curriculum.

It doesn't make it any better or worse than the next style, but guaranteed, the wado person will move differently as a result.

Nice video Zanshin, at the end when they are doing the hand to hand techniches. their stance seemed really neat, what is it called?

[Wa-No-Michi]

Have found this on you tube. Not a great example of Wado or Kenjutsu for that matter, but sort of helps clarify what we are talking about.

Watch the "shidachi" (the one that delivers the fatal cut) turn out of the line of the "uchidachi' (person who receives the fatal cut), by removing his left hip out of the line of the cut.

The technique shown (without the Hakama) is a "sort of" version of Wado's Kihon Gumite number one.

In general, I agree with the premise that there are no martial techniques that are unique to any given style but, teaching strategies or methods/reasons of practice do vary.

In this case, the formation of Wado's "Nagashi-tsuki" comes as a result of the "pedagogy" that Otsuka sensei developed when he created Wado-Ryu. When you bear in mind he was a master koryu (old school/battle-field) Ju-jutsu-ka (and consequently an accomplished swordsman) even before he had heard of the Okinwan art of To-de (karate), there is no wonder that he applied his processes of learning to the Wado curriculum.

It doesn't make it any better or worse than the next style, but guaranteed, the wado person will move differently as a result.

Nice video Zanshin, at the end when they are doing the hand to hand techniches. their stance seemed really neat, what is it called?

Looking at the video clip, I would say the pair work was "Kumite Gata".

As I understand it, the stance is "Yoko Seishan-dachi" - or at least it is supposed to be.

WNM

[wouldbemaster]

can I be contriversial and suggest that the power generated in this move would be far greater at 45 degree angle ane that the effect on the attacker who be far greater at 45 degree angke