Power Sourcing

[pers]

Instead of just Throwing my fist by extending my arm, I throw my whole body behind the fist, ..so I am no punching with my fist, I am puching with my body...my body is the weapon...

And also the target!

It’s a balancing act I guess. All to do with good technique - being able to deliver as much Kinetic energy (using the correct force) as quickly as possible, whilst not putting yourself in a position where you are vulnerable to being hit.

Movement is key.

You guys may be closer to each other's ideas than you realize. We could talk about it all day, but if we actually got together and could "see" what each is saying, you might be pretty close together.

Or, it could be the opposite, I guess. However, there is often something lost in the translation.

No, although I think you are on the right lines.

Its called Tai-sabaki or body management.

Tai-sabaki is body evasion in shotokan .

In advance level it is performed in a combined evasion and strike ,probably the highest level .

tai-sabaki is evading an attack by shifting the body swiftly out of way of the incoming attack and in a position of advantage to strike a counter .

as with anything else it is up to the skill of the individual .

but the fundamentals remain constant , it doesn't matter if you are going to punch or front kick or side kick or round kick or if you are trying to evade an incoming kick or punch ,

they all initiate or should from the ground thorough the ball of the foot in whatever stance you are in .

it is how one transmit and channel that energy with speed and fluidity that could end with a desired outcome.

[pittbullJudoka]

I just learn a trick to add power and control to a round kick. From a squre stance(right leg slightly back) If throwing a round kickwith you right leg it seems the hips bind and the body is off balance. To create the power that you want it seems you have to so hard the you are out of control and off balance and you have to have to a lot of swinging follow through. The hips seems to get bound up and loose power.

Everyone screams hip rotation.This is a major component to power. But if you set you right shoulder into motion a split second before the hips this seems to coild and unwind the body naturally. The shoulder travling in the direction of the kick pulls the hips through the kick opposed to the hips pushing the upperbody around. thus taking the bidding out of the hips. Thus more stap and control to the kick. the way I was taught to to do this was set up from a jab cross combonation.

I have found much more power in this way of throwing a round kick also you gain balance and control that always seemed to be missing.

[Zanshin]

I just learn a trick to add power and control to a round kick. From a squre stance(right leg slightly back) If throwing a round kickwith you right leg it seems the hips bind and the body is off balance. To create the power that you want it seems you have to so hard the you are out of control and off balance and you have to have to a lot of swinging follow through. The hips seems to get bound up and loose power.

Everyone screams hip rotation.This is a major component to power. But if you set you right shoulder into motion a split second before the hips this seems to coild and unwind the body naturally. The shoulder travling in the direction of the kick pulls the hips through the kick opposed to the hips pushing the upperbody around. thus taking the bidding out of the hips. Thus more stap and control to the kick. the way I was taught to to do this was set up from a jab cross combonation.

I have found much more power in this way of throwing a round kick also you gain balance and control that always seemed to be missing.

With all due respect pitbulljudoka, this is the worst thing you can be teaching yourself to do.

Using your shoulders to swing your hips into position is the most basic of no!no!s as not only does it teach incorrect body mechanics, it "telegraphs" each kick you are doing. In addition there is a risk that you are not protecting you chu-sen or centre line, the most fundamental thing in karate.

Each and every technique should start from the Hara or centre of your body.

Just my view

[TraditionalDan]

With all due respect pitbulljudoka, this is the worst thing you can be teaching yourself to do.

Using your shoulders to swing your hips into position is the most basic of no!no!s as not only does it teach incorrect body mechanics, it "telegraphs" each kick you are doing. In addition there is a risk that you are not protecting you chu-sen or centre line, the most fundamental thing in karate.

Each and every technique should start from the Hara or centre of your body.

Just my view

Whilst I agree that you should not commit yourself fully into a kick if you are unsure of its outcome, or if it could compromise balance.

I can't agree that it is the 'worst' thing he could teach himself, I think he brings up and interesting detail.

Of course, a perfect karate kick would be completely untelegraphed and with full power.

But it seems that no matter how hard I try, with full power kicks there is always some telegraphing, due to the sheer force generated.

This does not mean however, that your opponent will not think that it is actually another technique that is coming his/her way.

I will work on the kick shield/heavy bag tonight, and also in the air and see the difference. I believe it is all to do with the situation you are applying the kick in, and what particular aspect of your kick you are intending on training.

[pittbullJudoka]

the way I was taught to to do this was set up from a jab cross combonation.

Using your shoulders to swing your hips into position is the most basic of no!no!s as not only does it teach incorrect body mechanics, it "telegraphs" each kick you are doing.

Just my view

If throwing the kick as a lone technique you will definately telegraph your kick. Thus being why it follows your hand combination. If this kick follows the right cross as I mentioned in my post your have natural set your shoulder foward and not telegraphed your kick. As with anything in the martial arts as a beginer you will telegraph every move you make. As you practise and develope you skills you slowly eleminate your tellegraphs. I would have have to disagree with you on teaching incorrect body mechanics just a diffrence of body mechanics timing. You feet shoulders and hips all have to move with this kick.

This way of preforming the kick let the body naturally unwind when it it is coiled. Everyone is going to have an opinion on what is right and wrong, what works for them and what won't. One persons body may come to certian moves easiler and more natural than another.

"Judo" Gene Lebell told me a few years ago at seminar he was teaching "Not all moves work on all people and sometimes you have to modify the moves that have been taught to you. You modify the moves no matter how simple to work for your ability, body size, and body mechanics."

[Zanshin]

At some dojos this type technique may be used to teach beginners, but really it is something that should be avoided.

Power should be generated from the floor up, not the shoulders down IMO.

Throwing the shoulders in front of the leg not only telegraphs your intentions to an opponent, it compromises the power generated from the technique and will leave you vulnerable to over rotation of the kick and loss of balance.

A good kumite fighter will see this type of kick coming a mile off and will be able to pick you off with a punch before you are able to land it.

I take the point about following on from a cross punch, but even then I would avoid this, as it is committing to the kick half way through the preceding technique.

Watch a good Muay Thai fighter kick, virtually no shoulder movement.

[pers]

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If throwing the kick as a lone technique you will definately telegraph your kick. Thus being why it follows your hand combination. If this kick follows the right cross as I mentioned in my post your have natural set your shoulder foward and not telegraphed your kick.

You feet shoulders and hips all have to move with this kick.

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throwing a kick as a lone technique should not necessarily telegraph your kick if it is done well . it is how you lift your leg and direct it to the target out of the vision of opponent until is too late for him to see it before it hits the target.

the way we were taught shoulders are relaxed and actualy away from the kicking leg .

as if you are doing a right leg roundhouse kick ,your right shoulder should actualy be held back to help with balance and to release the hip more into the direction of the kick .to do this correctly one must utilise his hands , in this example the right hand helps keeping the right shoulder back .

[Adonis]

I push off the ground with my feet, Hip rotation, and shoulder rotations into my punch, as well as rotational torque in the hand, and the pull/snap back of the hand to generate the power of a punch.

Depending on the strike if its down ward or up ward. I will bend or come up with the knees depending on the strike.

[TraditionalDan]

throwing a kick as a lone technique should not necessarily telegraph your kick if it is done well . it is how you lift your leg and direct it to the target out of the vision of opponent until is too late for him to see it before it hits the target.

Upon reading that, I suppose there is a differences between a 'movement', and telegraphing your intended technique.

[pers]

throwing a kick as a lone technique should not necessarily telegraph your kick if it is done well . it is how you lift your leg and direct it to the target out of the vision of opponent until is too late for him to see it before it hits the target.

Upon reading that, I suppose there is a differences between a 'movement', and telegraphing your intended technique.

can you be more specific ?