snap kick uses

[SBN Doug]

One of the disadvantages of the crescent kicks is that I have found that if you can block them really well, you really leave the kicker hung out to dry as far as a counter punch goes. You can also knock them down that way as well. Just some things to consider.

Quite true. In the last tournament, a guy grabbed my leg after I had made contact with his head. Now, it should be noted that since we focus on control I only taped his head or it would have been much harder for him to catch it. And technically, the rules say no trapping so he actually did this accidentally (though I don't like that rule).

I just pivoted 180, and yanked my leg out as I went into a front roll away from him. A leg escape we used to train in wayyyy back in my under black days.

[wingedMonkey]

Can you describe the reverse butterfly kick? I am having trouble visualizing what you are saying here.

Well if he trapped your inner crecent coming to his head, you would then twist your hips and lift your back leg to bring it around in the opposite direction, so you would do a 360 behind you, and then kick again with the leg that was trapped, or i guess do what some styles call a universal kick and kick with the back leg too if you couldn't get your front all the way back forward again.

[bushido_man96]

Can you describe the reverse butterfly kick? I am having trouble visualizing what you are saying here.

Well if he trapped your inner crecent coming to his head, you would then twist your hips and lift your back leg to bring it around in the opposite direction, so you would do a 360 behind you, and then kick again with the leg that was trapped, or i guess do what some styles call a universal kick and kick with the back leg too if you couldn't get your front all the way back forward again.

That seems like an awful lot of stuff to try to do when your leg is trapped. Besides, I was just talking about being blocked, as opposed to trapped. It sounds interesting, but I am not sure how it would work.

[wingedMonkey]

Well, I've always been into TaeKwonDo all my life, and when I was a kid growing up I always thought, "oh no!, what happens if i get into a fight with a boxer or somethin, he'll beat me!" but as I went on through my life and different styles I learned that as you go up to rank, that's what TKD works on, for your feet to be as fast as another persons punches, to be able to get out of a corner using reverse jump kicks to the person's abdomin or a jump reverse side kick. You know, these techniques sound too tough to do, but that's because they are. That's why they recommend that anyone who is a yellow belt and below, not to fight, in fact it's discouraged because you could get seriously hurt, but in ATA there are a lot of people that have a really good saying that goes, "When you get to Black Belt, that's when the Real learning starts." I think I agree with that so much that when I get my ceremonial Black Belt, my engravement that I will choose for the other side will be "White Belt" in Korean.

[SBN Doug]

Well if he trapped your inner crecent coming to his head, you would then twist your hips and lift your back leg to bring it around in the opposite direction, so you would do a 360 behind you, and then kick again with the leg that was trapped, or i guess do what some styles call a universal kick and kick with the back leg too if you couldn't get your front all the way back forward again.

Hmmm, I can see using this motion to kick with the free leg, or to do as I described and push off the "gabber" to escape, but I can't see how you would intend to "kick again with the leg that was trapped" until you have somehow broken the trap.

[wingedMonkey]

Well if he trapped your inner crecent coming to his head, you would then twist your hips and lift your back leg to bring it around in the opposite direction, so you would do a 360 behind you, and then kick again with the leg that was trapped, or i guess do what some styles call a universal kick and kick with the back leg too if you couldn't get your front all the way back forward again.

Hmmm, I can see using this motion to kick with the free leg, or to do as I described and push off the "gabber" to escape, but I can't see how you would intend to "kick again with the leg that was trapped" until you have somehow broken the trap.

That's the whole ponit though, twisting your whole body causes lots of torque, which is more than likely impossible for the other person to hold on.

[Montana]

That's the whole ponit though, twisting your whole body causes lots of torque, which is more than likely impossible for the other person to hold on.

Actually, if your opponent has you in a proper trap....that torque you're talking about is going to rip all of the ligaments out of your own knee...even possibly causing severe damage to your ligaments and muscles in your hip. At the least, you're going to be chewing up grass.

[wingedMonkey]

Well you shouldn't let your leg go loose, you are supposed to tighten your muscles...

[bushido_man96]

That's the whole ponit though, twisting your whole body causes lots of torque, which is more than likely impossible for the other person to hold on.

Actually, if your opponent has you in a proper trap....that torque you're talking about is going to rip all of the ligaments out of your own knee...even possibly causing severe damage to your ligaments and muscles in your hip. At the least, you're going to be chewing up grass.

I was kind of thinking this myself. If someone has a trap on you, they are probably trying to pummel you, or doing something with the trapped leg.

Once, when my brother and I were sparring in the yard, he caught my round kick, more by accident than on purpose, and I brought my other leg up and around as a spin heel kick, and nailed him in the face. The way my body was aligned, I couldn't have brought it up and around in any other fashion. If I had the chance again, I don't think I would try this technique again...way to risky. It was cool, though. My brother didn't think so...

[SBN Doug]

Well you shouldn't let your leg go loose, you are supposed to tighten your muscles...

Tight or not, a proper trap won't be easy to escape.

Now if it's a simple grab, then perhaps your aerial maneuver will work. But I'm a little too old to take that option. I'll go with the simple escape, and recover in defense posture.