Judo vs Jiu Jitsu (BJJ)

[Jermz]

I am wondering which of the two is better to take, as far as submissions and take downs go.

From my understanding Jiu Jitsu seems to focus on submission and Judo focuses on take downs. I know both have elements of take downs and submissions, but which one will I learn more and help me out more.

Thanks ahead of time.

[Rainbow_Warrior]

BJJ is a a adapted version of the pre war Judo. Today there is a branch of Judo called ´´ Kosen Judo ´´. They preserved the old judo rules and said NO to the time limit in the ground of the modern Judo.

Mainstream judo or kodokan judo, is 70 % tachi waza ( throws , take downs,etc ) and 30 % newaza ( mat work).

IMHO I think that judo has every technique you can see in BJJ , but BJJ ground game is much more fluid and uses the guard in many ways that are not so visible in judo.

In western world most of Judo clubs are mainstream kodokan...kosen is available in some universitys in japan , and I have readen about some club in england....

You can check some kosen judo , to see what judo groundwork look like.

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzTVjgkGvGk

2

Both are great.... you said it..Bjj is more ground based...judo is more throws and take down based..... If you find a traditional judo school...it may look more like bjj ( and more with the grappling boom of mma )....

My 2 cents

[Jermz]

Thanks, hopefully the Judo school I am going to check out will have Kosen Judo. I might take BJJ as well to complement the Judo that I will be taking. I just wanted to see the difference, besides the obvious difference. The Kosen Judo seems to be very well rounded about 50% Take Downs and 50% ground. Thanks for telling me about this.

[bushido_man96]

Checking out both would be best, as it will give you a better idea of what you are getting, and you can ask that question and get a straight answer. From what I understand, however, the Jujitsu school may be the way to go as far as submissions is concerned.

[gzk]

Both are good, the BJJ more so for submissions and attack/defence from the bottom position, Judo more so for takedowns, because you'll practise them a lot more. BJJ has all the Judo takedowns, plus (depending on where you train) some from western wrestling styles, like the high single-leg, but we spend most of our time on the ground.

Style-wise, I don't think you would really go wrong with either. I would take the BJJ, but of course, I'm biased I think really, the determining factors should be the quality of instruction, how good the advanced students are, the general atmosphere and culture, the cost, whether you can fit the training into your schedule, and the type of training (how much time sparring, how much time drilling, level of contact/intensity, etc). If both are good, then train both. I think you would find the styles are pretty complementary, just as long as you adjust to the minor rule differences.

[ps1]

As everyone mentioned...they are both fantastic arts. However, unless you're interested in competing, be sure the school you attend is not focused just on competition.

In Judo, you will be penalized for things any normal person would do. Things like using a stiff arm to prevent the opponent from getting under you. Bending sharply at the waist for the same reason is also a stalling penalty.

In BJJ, those things are allowed because they are normal things a person would do. However, you may only learn three of four take downs in BJJ, despite it having many more. The rest of the time will be spent in standing self defense (10%) and ground work(80%).

Judo is Throwing (70%), Kata (15%), self defense (10%), ground (5%).

I realize that the throws in Judo and the Ground work in BJJ are all for self defense (mostly). But I'm calling self defense things like bear hug escape, headlock escape, knife defense...ect.

[NightOwl]

The problem between choosing one for its better takedowns and submissions is that both of these grappling arts specialize in one of those areas. While they both train in either field, for standing takedowns Judo tends to be better while BJJ has perhaps the best submission work of any grappling art. Try both and see what you like best...if you have the money and time training in both will give you all the grappling skills you should need.

[dete]

I recommend you watch some material...

Royce Gracie vs Hidehiko Yoshida 1 & 2

Helio Gracie Bonus interview

Human Weapon Judo episode

Rickson & Royler visiting Hayward Nishioka's Judo school

[ps1]

I recommend you watch some material...

Royce Gracie vs Hidehiko Yoshida 1 & 2

Helio Gracie Bonus interview

Human Weapon Judo episode

Rickson & Royler visiting Hayward Nishioka's Judo school

Yup... I think you'll find the two styles very evenly matched after watching and considering all of those. In the Royce Gracie fights, Royce loses both of them (one in a very contraversial decision). However, the Rickson and Royler visit demonstrates Rickson doing very well against olympic caliber guys. I haven't seen the other two.

[MMA_Jim]

I recommend you watch some material...

Royce Gracie vs Hidehiko Yoshida 1 & 2

Helio Gracie Bonus interview

Human Weapon Judo episode

Rickson & Royler visiting Hayward Nishioka's Judo school

Yup... I think you'll find the two styles very evenly matched after watching and considering all of those. In the Royce Gracie fights, Royce loses both of them (one in a very contraversial decision). However, the Rickson and Royler visit demonstrates Rickson doing very well against olympic caliber guys. I haven't seen the other two.

I would completely disagree with you here.

First, the human weapon episode- Chambers and Duff are there to do an episode about judo and learn it, not to defeat it. They fight under Judo rules and Chambers clearly holds superiority over his opponent on the ground.

The first Royce vs Yoshida fight was stopped early, theres nothing controversial about it- the alternate camera angle that shows Royce jump back to his feet at the same exact time Yoshida does clearly shows that he wasnt even dazed by the sleeve choke. Theres not much evidence in that fight.

The second Royce/Yoshida fight shows a Royce Gracie whos outweighed by 40lbs completely dominate a Judo Olympic Gold medalist. To top it off, Royce's jiu jitsu is far from world class (and I mean far) in terms of his "sport" jiu jitsu if you will. Put a competition black belt in there, and I dont this Yoshida would last very long.

I do believe that Roger Gracie is set up to fight against Yoshida sometime soon. That makes for a more reasonable comparison, since both are champions at their sport.