Rainbow_Warrior Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Well , today I rolled with a guy who has been here for a month . He is a +220 lbs strong guy , kinda heavy construction worker. I am a 190 lbs huys , not very tall.This was my first roll against an aponent with significative weight difference and brute force... I rolled with guys sligthy heavier that me , but the have good technique and dont rush like the guy of today. I also rolled with mad guys...but they were not so heavy.The match was like this :I tried to single leg him , but he did a sprawl and smashed me against the floor...It ended with me in half guard and then he mounted me with brute force , but I could make a good escape quickly.I pulled him in to my guard , and could handle him from there. He eventually got tired. I had a chance to triangle him...but he lifted me like a rag doll .. I continued with the guard stuff....and my instructor give me the order to fight another guy ( we were a group of 3... the other 2 guys fight always with me ).I tapped the other guy really fast and with ease.... ( he was also a new guy..but with a normal weight)... ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
ps1 Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Big guys can be tough. It takes lots of practice to learn to take them on. Sit over sweeps and guillotine work very well. Best bet is to get on top and take them from there. That way they can't crush you with their weight and their strength matters only a little.Sounds like you need to work on your strategy a little. Your first mistake was shooting in on a guy who is that big. Hope this helps. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
Rainbow_Warrior Posted September 12, 2007 Author Posted September 12, 2007 Yes... you are right ... I need a better strategy against big guys...the problem is I dont have a lot of heavy guys where I train. I went to fight him in the same way I roll with a guy like me....I shouldnt shoot again with this guy...next time I will try to take down him fron the clinch , gaining control of his hips...I know several throws , but....without a gi they dont work very well ( and less if you are sweating ) ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
ps1 Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Yes... you are right ... I need a better strategy against big guys...the problem is I dont have a lot of heavy guys where I train. I went to fight him in the same way I roll with a guy like me....I shouldnt shoot again with this guy...next time I will try to take down him fron the clinch , gaining control of his hips...I know several throws , but....without a gi they dont work very well ( and less if you are sweating )You could always set him up to shoot on you too. When he does, sprawl and attempt to circle around to the back. You're still likely to end up in side control or in his guard. Either way, you're on top. The only flaw to this is if he does take you down, obviously, you're on bottom again. You could always try what Randy Coture did to Gonzaga. You know, just pick him up and slam him down like a rag doll Just kidding on that one. It was just one of the largest displays of raw power I had ever seen. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
Rainbow_Warrior Posted September 13, 2007 Author Posted September 13, 2007 If he take me down , and it ends in my guard or at least half guard its not a problem. I like to use the guard to control strong people. The main problem I have is that in my style of grappling, we are encouraged to not stay much time in the guard. That is the primary difference between luta livre and bjj ( and the commandment of NO gi).We can not pull guard in tournaments . It gives the other guy a point ( like he performed a take down).The idea behind the guard stuff ( in the luta livre view) is that luta livre was created in brazil specially for vale tudo...and ´´ in a vale tudo contest , the guy in the top can punch you in your guard ´´-in my head instructor words ´´ We use the guard in the same way of bjj, but the preference is to get out from there quickly... But the submissions are all the same....I work from the guard anyway , because I like it and I feel confortable from there , but I have problema with my instructor because that. ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
NightOwl Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 At the same time though, if the guy is big enough that you can't hold him in guard for long, a more dynamic guard (such as the spider) may be a better bet. But apparently this is not the case? Hm, I say change the rules Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.~Theodore Roosevelt
ps1 Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 I practice mma too. I don't have much of a problem getting hit while in the guard. It's just a matter of positioning and controlling your opponent. Additionally, what position do they suggest from the bottom if they don't like guard? Or do they mean for you to sweep and try to stay on top? Which, of course, is ideal. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
Rainbow_Warrior Posted September 13, 2007 Author Posted September 13, 2007 Additionally, what position do they suggest from the bottom if they don't like guard? Or do they mean for you to sweep and try to stay on top? Which, of course, is idealMaybe I didnt explain myself very well ( and my english imperfect performance does not help very much) .They say to try to sweep and get out if you can. They dont have any problem with the guard...But the strategy of the style is ´´use the guard only as a transition position to something better ´´ and not use it as a primary place to be or attack from. That is why I would lose a point in a tournament If I take a guy into my guard from standing position. . I have seen a lot of excelent bjj guys who take the oponent directly to the guard ,and submit from there.You could do that in a luta livre competition ,but if you fail the submition you you will have a -1 score...So it is not forbidden.Of course it maybe a a institutional policy to make difference from the sibling twin bjj. more dynamic guard (such as the spider) may be a better bet. But apparently this is not the case? Hm, I say change the rules Yes , I have to try those with this guy . Maybe a butterfly guard can help me to sweep him...the sweep that pushes his kness with my feet holding his both arms is easy to do , and the size does not matter in the same way of the scisor sweep. ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
NightOwl Posted September 14, 2007 Posted September 14, 2007 Maybe another tactic to use would be more movement- don't wait for him to come to you but try and get his back or something. Then again, I really don't know what I am talking about... Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.~Theodore Roosevelt
Rainbow_Warrior Posted September 19, 2007 Author Posted September 19, 2007 well , rolled with the same big guy today . I did what ps1 suggested....I waited to his shoot. He tried a double leg...and I cought him with........... a guillotine .The second roll , I could barely took him down....When I reached the mounted position I could do a frontal mata-leao (the neck crank , without crossing his arm). Submited him again.In the third one.... I waited for his shoot , and it ended in my half guard... I could mount him ( rolling to my side) but....I lost the position , and it ended with him trying to rear choke me. He couldnt....and he got tired and surrended.I feel a lil bettter now ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
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