Most technical street fight ever

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Not sure if you all caught this on "the ultimate fighters", 2 of the contestants have a bit of a throw down minus the ring and ref. They later get kicked off the show.

Interesting to see what happens when you try to do mma style fighting without the cage and throw some cement into the mix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=Tv8HchA1_As

[bushido_man96]

Well, that was quite a fight. The one guy kept trying to get armbars or triangles, but kept getting picked up and slammed.

I think that Dana White did the right thing by sending them home. This is not the image that the UFC and MMA in general want to portray. White sent a message to them.

As for the fight, I think that this can be a representation of using MMA techniques in defense. Having skills like that will not hurt you in a street fight.

[Steve_K]

That was embarrassing and disgraceful.

I'm not one to rag on youtube videos but I just had to say something about that one.

Forgive me, but that is just what you get when you teach muscle-heads how to fight. I say that because it wasn't just those two guys taking part in it, everybody else around them was just eating it up.

Now I know not all of them behave that way, but it's my feeling that there are way too many guys like that; juiced up athletes who want to be tough and beat on people just to fuel their egos.

The only way I can describe it is shameful.

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I think that Dana White did the right thing by sending them home. This is not the image that the UFC and MMA in general want to portray. White sent a message to them.

I completely agree. Has Dana White said, he and a alot of others having been trying very hard to have MMA accepted into the mainstream and be viewed has a sport rather than a barbaric slug-fest.

As for the fight, I think that this can be a representation of using MMA techniques in defense. Having skills like that will not hurt you in a street fight.

Not sure i agree here. From watching the video, actively seeking takedowns, pulling guard and attempting guillotines and armbars that result in your head being slammed into concrete would be extremely detrimental to someone hoping to defend themselves.

[NightOwl]

While I think he was right to ditch them...as one commenter mentioned it is a bit ironic that he throws them out for giving a bad image yet his every other word is censored. Regardless, I still do think that the UFC needs to loose a lot of its image and look a bit more professional. Uniforms? (as opposed to swimtrunks, not a gi per se)

On a side note, the only time I ever pulled off a submission during my very brief time with Bjj was from hanging upside down while holding on to dear life to a big guy while he stood up. Fortunately he didn't stack me while I managed to get him in an armbar, but he was also a beginner so I think I was just lucky. There's a lot to be said with sticking to stand up grappling and striking when you don't have a mat beneath you.

[gzk]

I would agree that seeking to go to your back to pull guard is a bad idea, but probably the least-worst option if you end up on your back. What else would you do?

Going for takedowns doesn't seem like such a bad idea provided you end up top. What's wrong with takedowns?

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There's a lot to be said with sticking to stand up grappling and striking when you don't have a mat beneath you.

Any skilled Jiujitsu expert will agree with this. Read Renzo Gracie's book "Mastering Jiujitsu" and he clearly outlines three distinct phases of combat (free movement, standing clinch (grabbed in anyway) and ground combat). He points out that the idea of Jiujitsu is to move your opponent into the phase where you have the most advantage over him. I would have to say the clinch is one of the best areas. This is contrary to the popular belief that BJJ is laying on your back and applying armbars all day.

I would agree that seeking to go to your back to pull guard is a bad idea, but probably the least-worst option if you end up on your back.

I agree 100%. If someone sucker punches you and you end up there, it's better than letting the guy beside you where he can apply alot of damage.

Going for takedowns doesn't seem like such a bad idea provided you end up top. What's wrong with takedowns?

There's nothing wrong with it when you know it's just one on one as in the video. But when you're trying to defend yourself in an unknown situation, you could be inviting more trouble from your opponent's buddies. They are going to make it really hard to get up once you're already on the ground. But hey, if you do get a perfect double leg and drop the guy right on his head...it just might be lights out and you're still standing. I guess it's just going to depend on how confident you are with those skills.

Not sure i agree here. From watching the video, actively seeking takedowns, pulling guard and attempting guillotines and armbars that result in your head being slammed into concrete would be extremely detrimental to someone hoping to defend themselves.

I think you're right here. The only reason the guy could defend himself like that is becasue he knew it was one on one. That's what happens when you use sport techniques for self defense. I found it funny that the drunk guy was fighting more intellengently than the sober guy. He kept getting up and avoiding being taken down. Slamming the head was a stroke of genius (and it ended the fight). However, most grappling schools that focus on self defense tell you to release an armbar or triangle as soon as you feel the opponent begin to pick you up. A big reason for this is because being slammed is a huge weakness. At that point they should get back up or attack the legs. This guy is just used to having a cushy mat below him. He figured he'd get away with it. The guillotine wasn't a problem.

Better techniques, IMO, from the guard are the sweeps (scissor series if the oppoent stays low and hook/sickle if he stands). They allow you to secure a mounted position and can be obtained from the positions your opponent must assume in order to strike. Even in the worst case you sweep the opponent and stand back up.

I'm extremely happy those guys got the boot. It annoys me that meatheads have come to represent the martial arts in the eyes of the public these days. I agree with whoever said Dana should clean up his mouth a little.

Someone suggested uniforms. There are just too many sponsors for that to happen. Imagine NASCAR if they all had to wear the same thing. It wouldn't exist. Same goes for MMA. Those guys survive through sponsorships.

[username8517]

I think that Dana White did the right thing by sending them home. This is not the image that the UFC and MMA in general want to portray. White sent a message to them.

If you ask me, Dana was being a little hypocritical about it. Yes the UFC and MMA world doesn't want to come off as portraying a certain image and he was right to boot them for displaying that kind of behavior. However, if he was so concerned with not putting that kind of imagery out there, he would have editted it out of the show.

He could have easily had the lead up to it and then when the fight actually starts. Then have him show up and say that he was irate for fighting, disappointed at the stereotype they filled, etc etc and kicked them off then.

Heck, during the airing of the season, the fight was something that was highlighted and emphasised on their On the Next Episode of The Ulitmate Fighter...

In my opinion Dana White wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He wanted the leave the fight in there for ratings and drama for the show, but then he wanted to come on and say "no no no, that's not what we want here"

I would agree that seeking to go to your back to pull guard is a bad idea, but probably the least-worst option if you end up on your back. What else would you do?

gzk is correct. If you end up on your back, pulling guard isn't a terrible thing to do. However, rather than trying to sink in an armbar (or any other submission) from he bottom and risk being slammed, you should try and sweep your opponent and reverse positioning.

Edit--looks like ps1 beat me to this portion of it

[ps1]

If you ask me, Dana was being a little hypocritical about it. Yes the UFC and MMA world doesn't want to come off as portraying a certain image and he was right to boot them for displaying that kind of behavior. However, if he was so concerned with not putting that kind of imagery out there, he would have editted it out of the show.

He could have easily had the lead up to it and then when the fight actually starts. Then have him show up and say that he was irate for fighting, disappointed at the stereotype they filled, etc etc and kicked them off then.

Heck, during the airing of the season, the fight was something that was highlighted and emphasised on their On the Next Episode of The Ulitmate Fighter...

In my opinion Dana White wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He wanted the leave the fight in there for ratings and drama for the show, but then he wanted to come on and say "no no no, that's not what we want here"

Good observation. He could still have kicked them off and then pointed out that it was edited because that's not what they're about. Ratings rule when it comes to TV though.

[bushido_man96]

I think it was good to see what happened. It showed exactly what transpired, there are no questions about who started what, or having to wait for a statement to be disclosed that would have just told a black and white story. Showing the fight, and then the punishment, really sent it home. I am sure it did help ratings, too. But when you are doing reality-type TV, this is what you get.

As for Dana White's choice of words, that doesn't really offend me much at all. Heck, I am just as guilty of those choices of words as he is. My class mouth is G-rated, but any other time, not so much. When addressing the audience that he was, I don't really see a problem with it. In a class, however, professionalism has to settle in.