NightOwl Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 The major reason is because small joint locks don't really work when controlling a LARGER RESISTING opponent.They work fine in class, when people are compliant and everyone is safe.But against an enraged man, larger than you, your wrist lock is just going to make him angrier.I have a younger brother who is quite large, and trying to do wrist locks on him is like trying to tackle an oak tree with a shoulder butt. In the end, you just get hurt.Is your younger brother often the 'test subject'? What lock technique do you use? Might be better to just go for a punch.... Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.~Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Let me let you in on a little secret. If you can control someone's balance you will win. You never try to put a lock on ....you find it. If you know how to do one, you'll see the opportunity and take it. If you don't know what to look for they won't work. Most people I spar with don't know how to defend against a wrist lock so I don't do them in practice. I don't want to injure them. There's way too much to a wrist lock to explain writing and it takes a long time to learn how to properly do them. That's why you don't see them being used, most people don't know how to make them work. No one that I know doubts their effectiveness anymore. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hey, Eric. With my "little" brother, I can try to put on any kind of limb-manipulating move, but he is just solid. A distraction is what I have to use on him, and it is the important part of the joint lock, I think.I agree with Treebranch, and the distraction technique is what can help to break the balance, and then open up for finding a lock. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightOwl Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 Unfortunately I only have little sisters for siblings. Claiming to be able to defeat them in a daring match of fists in unarmed combat just doesn't sound all that impressive Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.~Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yingampyang Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 While I have no experience with JJJ, supposedly it teaches more small joint manipulation as in comparison with its Brazilian offspring (which tends to focus on the larger joints). My questions are this: A: Why was it taken out of BJJ?B: What are the pros and cons of small joint locks?C: Why is it not allowed in MMA?A: I think its because BJJ wanted a more agressive and full on approach. B: The pros are that they can hurt alot and can be damaging at times. Cons are that a fighter can still fight with a small joint lock or even a broken one. C: Im not too sure why it isn't allowed in MMA , but i still do it anyways. I think that there is no 1 style , and that to truly become a great martial artist and person you must take information from where ever you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 You realize you can break someone's elbow or even rip someone's shoulder joint with a wristlock throw right? Don't think of a wristlock merely as a pain move to submit someone. It's a brutal throw. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yingampyang Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 yes that is correct , it is a brutal throw. I think that there is no 1 style , and that to truly become a great martial artist and person you must take information from where ever you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 It locks up the elbow and shoulder...it really sucks to be on the other end of that. It's a beautiful throw! "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yingampyang Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 lol yes that is true it does suck to be on the other end of it i have experiecned it lol I think that there is no 1 style , and that to truly become a great martial artist and person you must take information from where ever you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebranch Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 lol yes that is true it does suck to be on the other end of it i have experiecned it lolJust curious....Are you pulling the person over their balance the entire time for the throw. I always feel it work best when they are reaching beyond their balance and basically falling into the lock. I don't know if that sounds clear. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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