Small joint manipulation in JJJ and BJJ

[NightOwl]

The major reason is because small joint locks don't really work when controlling a LARGER RESISTING opponent.

They work fine in class, when people are compliant and everyone is safe.

But against an enraged man, larger than you, your wrist lock is just going to make him angrier.

I have a younger brother who is quite large, and trying to do wrist locks on him is like trying to tackle an oak tree with a shoulder butt. In the end, you just get hurt.

Is your younger brother often the 'test subject'? What lock technique do you use? Might be better to just go for a punch....

[Treebranch]

Let me let you in on a little secret. If you can control someone's balance you will win. You never try to put a lock on ....you find it. If you know how to do one, you'll see the opportunity and take it. If you don't know what to look for they won't work. Most people I spar with don't know how to defend against a wrist lock so I don't do them in practice. I don't want to injure them. There's way too much to a wrist lock to explain writing and it takes a long time to learn how to properly do them. That's why you don't see them being used, most people don't know how to make them work. No one that I know doubts their effectiveness anymore.

[bushido_man96]

Hey, Eric. With my "little" brother, I can try to put on any kind of limb-manipulating move, but he is just solid. A distraction is what I have to use on him, and it is the important part of the joint lock, I think.

I agree with Treebranch, and the distraction technique is what can help to break the balance, and then open up for finding a lock.

[NightOwl]

Unfortunately I only have little sisters for siblings. Claiming to be able to defeat them in a daring match of fists in unarmed combat just doesn't sound all that impressive

[yingampyang]

While I have no experience with JJJ, supposedly it teaches more small joint manipulation as in comparison with its Brazilian offspring (which tends to focus on the larger joints). My questions are this:

A: Why was it taken out of BJJ?

B: What are the pros and cons of small joint locks?

C: Why is it not allowed in MMA?

A: I think its because BJJ wanted a more agressive and full on approach.

B: The pros are that they can hurt alot and can be damaging at times. Cons are that a fighter can still fight with a small joint lock or even a broken one.

C: Im not too sure why it isn't allowed in MMA , but i still do it anyways.

[Treebranch]

You realize you can break someone's elbow or even rip someone's shoulder joint with a wristlock throw right? Don't think of a wristlock merely as a pain move to submit someone. It's a brutal throw.

[yingampyang]

yes that is correct , it is a brutal throw.

[Treebranch]

It locks up the elbow and shoulder...it really sucks to be on the other end of that. It's a beautiful throw!

[yingampyang]

lol yes that is true it does suck to be on the other end of it i have experiecned it lol

[Treebranch]

lol yes that is true it does suck to be on the other end of it i have experiecned it lol

Just curious....Are you pulling the person over their balance the entire time for the throw. I always feel it work best when they are reaching beyond their balance and basically falling into the lock. I don't know if that sounds clear.