Street fight critique

[NightOwl]

is paris that rough of a place? : )

[baronbvp]

Their crappy beer may have been responsible. OMG it's true what they say - you don't go to France for the beer. Germany's beer, on the other hand, rocks out loud.

[Menjo]

Both of you guys make great points. I just know I couldn't restrict myself if I was getting punched in the face, regardless of the honor involved. I saw another thread (don't remember which one) where someone was saying that you bring to the fight yourself, and that's it. If you can't fight beyond wild punching, that's understandable. But as a fighter with at least a few more skills, it would be difficult for me not to bring everything to bear necessary to prevent injury to myself, stop the fight as quickly as possible, and deescalate or escape the situation.

I agree with you here. I don't think that fighting (on the street like this) is about honor, but about surviving. I would not have held back. Perhaps they had a "gentleman's agreement," but who knows.

Just wanna throw this in:

When Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie with a huge amount of grappling domination,

there was no question that matt won that fight, and he had completely destoyed his opponents confidence and game plan.

Its not nessacerly honor, but winning through sheer domination.

Had Hughes won with striking Gracie would have gotton some respect, but instead he got demolished.

Watch a street fight anywhere and youll see, if one guy pulls a clever tactic or technique that won him the fight, people would say "oh that was nice" or attribute some skill to them...

now if one guy grabbed the other guy and pounded his head in with their fists alone, they say "he beat the *stuff* out of him" and the other guy losses in every aspect.

It was just the low level of violence and an acceptance by others that surprised me, compared to the US.

Seeing a ring fight, and witnessing something like this are two very different feelings. Seeing this would seem brutal here, I think. I don't know that bystanders would allow it to go on that long around here.

Actually theres a fairly famous clip with a police officer fighting a criminal while people stood around even when things got really ugly. Like 4 feet away they just watched, it was sick really.

[baronbvp]

Good points. Some people consider using knees or kicks cheating. That is part of the reason behind boxing's "auld-tyme sport" reputation as the pure fighting sport. I guess, in the case of a street fight, that would make me a cheater regardless of the crowd.

[bushido_man96]

Good points. Some people consider using knees or kicks cheating. That is part of the reason behind boxing's "auld-tyme sport" reputation as the pure fighting sport. I guess, in the case of a street fight, that would make me a cheater regardless of the crowd.

Really, it is all about people's perception. Those who have never been in a fight for their life would maybe call it cheating; the others would call it surviving.

[baronbvp]

Those who have never been in a fight for their life would maybe call it cheating; the others would call it surviving.

There you go, Bushido!

[Menjo]

Better tactics DO make a better fighter, and I wouldn't consider just fists true fighting. Fighting can be with fists, legs, swords, clubs- I've not seen too many real brawls, but in my high school days I saw a couple and they too were not well done. All of the punches were of the flailing variety, whereas a good straightforward punch could have easily hit on of their very unguarded faces. Also, there was a lot of forward momentum by both combatants, which someone who knew throws or take downs could easily have taken advantage of.

Never said any of that. The implication of the post is different than black or white opposing views, the words are similar but in different order from the reply I see.

[Menjo]

Good points. Some people consider using knees or kicks cheating. That is part of the reason behind boxing's "auld-tyme sport" reputation as the pure fighting sport. I guess, in the case of a street fight, that would make me a cheater regardless of the crowd.

Really, it is all about people's perception. Those who have never been in a fight for their life would maybe call it cheating; the others would call it surviving.

Sorry to be antagonistic but:

Thats terribly black and white, not everyone who has been in a real situation throws away thier morals. Not to say i think that using different technqiues is cheating at all by any means. And not to say that honor is the same thing as morals. But the implications, reply to both sets of words. Just trying to create a colourful multi-facated discussion.

[mantis.style]

The point that not everyone has been in a situation where they had to test the difference between what they say and what they do, is also valid.

[bushido_man96]

Sorry to be antagonistic but:

Thats terribly black and white, not everyone who has been in a real situation throws away thier morals. Not to say i think that using different technqiues is cheating at all by any means. And not to say that honor is the same thing as morals. But the implications, reply to both sets of words. Just trying to create a colourful multi-facated discussion.

What do you mean by "throwing away morals" in a fight? If you could elaborate some, I would be able to issue a better informed response.