bushido_man96 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Whether you get hit first, or let them move first, you still can put yourself at a disadvantage on the street with a mentality like that. It is hard to know when they are actually going to move, and as I stated, action usually beats reaction. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine_weapons Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 IMHO,Defending is not when I get punched and then attack- that is not self-defense; that is revenge.Defending is when I get punched at then attack. When I defend myself I am taking a preventative measure against becoming a victim.Although, I never really thought of it offense/defense, I think of it as defense/punishment, because I don't attack people unless they attack me... disliking jail and such... I may be wrong, but I think this is along the lines of what BM was talking about - this is more of a victim style mindset. you won't attack unless you are attacked first. I on the other hand will attack FIRST If I feel an attack is inevidable. This is the pre-emptive strike which he referred to.In many schools, they teach only to defend, and not to attack unless you are attacked first. I won't say this is a bad thing per se, but it can place you in the situation of not having time to use your skills to defend yourself, because that one strike may have been all it took for him to KO you.I don't worry about getting in the first punch, but if someone attacks me, I'm going to defend myself well...very well. and if they end up in the hospital or something, I'd rather not end up in jail, thank you very much using myself as an example:I weigh 230 lbs.I bench press 330I squat 475I deadlift 475I have been into MA off and on since I was 6, have competed in the ring and bounced in clubs. If we are in an altercation and I hit you first, you may not get a chance to defend yourself. that is why pre-emptive strikes are great. you are going off of the assumption that you will be able to retaliate.I have a pair of CLEAR knucks made of bullet proof glass. since they are clear, you may not notice I am wearing them. Even if I am smaller than you, if I hit you with them you will likely go down. if you strike me first, however, the advantage is yours. My thoughts on martial arts and weight training:http://www.hesfit.com/men/comment/bodyweight-training-vs-weight-training-a-martial-artists-perspective/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 using myself as an example:I weigh 230 lbs.I bench press 330I squat 475I deadlift 475I have been into MA off and on since I was 6, have competed in the ring and bounced in clubs. If we are in an altercation and I hit you first, you may not get a chance to defend yourself. that is why pre-emptive strikes are great. you are going off of the assumption that you will be able to retaliate.I have a pair of CLEAR knucks made of bullet proof glass. since they are clear, you may not notice I am wearing them. Even if I am smaller than you, if I hit you with them you will likely go down. if you strike me first, however, the advantage is yours.Great example. Following on from that, there has been research which shows in a large number of stabbings, the person being attacked doesnt even realise they are being stabbed, or that the attacker has a knife until they have already been cut several times. With this in mind, taking the initiative and stopping an attack before it happens, either verbally or physically, is the safest and strategically smartest option to maximize your chance of survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 With this in mind, taking the initiative and stopping an attack before it happens, either verbally or physically, is the safest and strategically smartest option to maximize your chance of survival.I like this approach. You can go on the offensive verbally, just as well. I didn't really think about it. Thanks for bringing it up, cross. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I like this approach. You can go on the offensive verbally, just as well. I didn't really think about it. Thanks for bringing it up, cross.Certainly. When survival is your goal, any method that ensures this is useful. The verbal especially, because if you can talk someone out of a physical confrontation then the situation works out better for everyone involved. And whilst trying to talk you way out should always be the first option, if things are going to turn physical, hit first and hit hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine_weapons Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 using myself as an example:I weigh 230 lbs.I bench press 330I squat 475I deadlift 475I have been into MA off and on since I was 6, have competed in the ring and bounced in clubs. If we are in an altercation and I hit you first, you may not get a chance to defend yourself. that is why pre-emptive strikes are great. you are going off of the assumption that you will be able to retaliate.I have a pair of CLEAR knucks made of bullet proof glass. since they are clear, you may not notice I am wearing them. Even if I am smaller than you, if I hit you with them you will likely go down. if you strike me first, however, the advantage is yours.Great example. Following on from that, there has been research which shows in a large number of stabbings, the person being attacked doesnt even realise they are being stabbed, or that the attacker has a knife until they have already been cut several times. With this in mind, taking the initiative and stopping an attack before it happens, either verbally or physically, is the safest and strategically smartest option to maximize your chance of survival.very true. I know someone who lost an eye because it was cut in a fight with a boxcutter. she also has several scars. she said that she was fighting someone, saw them swinging and thought they were just punching. she never saw the blade and did realize she was being cut.I know other people who have said the same. until they saw the blood or until after the confrontation was over, they didn't even know a blade was involved. My thoughts on martial arts and weight training:http://www.hesfit.com/men/comment/bodyweight-training-vs-weight-training-a-martial-artists-perspective/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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