cross Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I am not saying that it is possible to crack the skull with the hands, (although if you include the jaw as part of the skull then I suppose it is).But then, why not go for the temple or something, rather than strike a thick skull? (Unless you opt for a tetsui or other open handed technique).Most vulnerable areas on the head/face are fairly specific when you consider it takes a slight movement of the opponents head and the punch that was aimed for their temple is now hitting right on the hardest part of the skull.This is on of the main problems to consider when talking about striking with a fist to the face, not so much your own accuracy, but the fact that people flinch when something is flying at their head. All it takes is the other person to duck slightly and you have a good chance of breaking your hand. Has for using a lighter, 2 things to consider:1. Unless you practice deploying it and using it on a regular basis, your chances of being able to do it in a self defence situation are slim to none.2. It limits what you can do to just punching, unless you drop it or throw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalDan Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Most vulnerable areas on the head/face are fairly specific when you consider it takes a slight movement of the opponents head and the punch that was aimed for their temple is now hitting right on the hardest part of the skull. This is on of the main problems to consider when talking about striking with a fist to the face, not so much your own accuracy, but the fact that people flinch when something is flying at their head. All it takes is the other person to duck slightly and you have a good chance of breaking your hand. Has for using a lighter, 2 things to consider: 1. Unless you practice deploying it and using it on a regular basis, your chances of being able to do it in a self defence situation are slim to none. 2. It limits what you can do to just punching, unless you drop it or throw it.I could not agree more, I personally think it is very unlikely that I would use a lighter for self defence purposes. Brighton Shotokan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Gripping a lighter or some other fistpack object doesn't alter the already-trained punching hand of the Karate-ka. In fact, it would probably improve it. Although it may alter the sieken a bit, I don't think to the point of being that significant. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalDan Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Gripping a lighter or some other fistpack object doesn't alter the already-trained punching hand of the Karate-ka. In fact, it would probably improve it. Although it may alter the sieken a bit, I don't think to the point of being that significant.It probably wouldn't make a significant difference, but I just don't like the idea of relying on it.I tried it on the heavy bag last night and it seems quite good, for more 'boxing style' punches. But I struggled with it on the makiwara, or for hard lunging reverse punches. I find with a punch that is designed to have a strong structure behind it (ie gyaku tsuki), the angle on my fingers that is created by holding the object, seems to redirect power by folding my wrist slightly upon impact.I suppose when you use a very powerful punch (the type you would use against a torso rather than a head), the slightest alteration of the wrist-fist connection can redistribute that power undesirably.But this is just my training, if you tailored your training to suit this kind of punch, it may prove beneficial. Brighton Shotokan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yingampyang Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 One of my friends told me once, that if you ever get into a fight on the street, and you happen to have a lighter on you, you should have it in your hand when you make a fist because it fills up some of the empty space in your fist and gives you a more solid punch, has anyone else heard of this?the true power of the fist comes from the waist and the ground, so it does not matter I think that there is no 1 style , and that to truly become a great martial artist and person you must take information from where ever you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalDan Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 the true power of the fist comes from the waist and the ground, so it does not matterAgreed. Brighton Shotokan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 the true power of the fist comes from the waist and the ground, so it does not matterAgreed.True; the fist pack just helps to augment it. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraditionalDan Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 True; the fist pack just helps to augment it.For some maybe, but not for me.(You never give up do you?!) Brighton Shotokan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I am just sticking to my guns. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glockmeister Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I heard that if somebody shoots at you with a .25 apc pistol at 200 years, you could catch it in your hand. "You know the best thing about pain? It let's you know you're not dead yet!"http://geshmacheyid.forumotion.com/f14-self-defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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