Blocking and parrying in combat

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however, they cant take 10 years to learn a martial art because most of them know how much time they would "lose"(time is money) if they did.

Do you think people who simply want to learn how to defend themselves can or want to spend that long learning?

[Kajukenbopr]

however, they cant take 10 years to learn a martial art because most of them know how much time they would "lose"(time is money) if they did.

Do you think people who simply want to learn how to defend themselves can or want to spend that long learning?

hey, not everyone is willing to take MMA and get pounded every week.

maybe they could get Russell Stutely dvds that should work well for someone who wants to learn quickly

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hey, not everyone is willing to take MMA and get pounded every week.

Training effectively in methods that dont take 10 years to get good at doesnt have to mean "getting pounded every week".

[bushido_man96]

Competition MMA are strong and fast, however, if they took the time to develop more complex moves, they would be able to reach higher levels of effectivity.

however, they cant take 10 years to learn a martial art because most of them know how much time they would "lose"(time is money) if they did.

I don't really think this statement holds much water. There are many MMA practioners who have spent many years in other styles. Liddell is was a Kempo stylist. Any fighter with the last name Gracie has spent at least 10 years doing BJJ. PrideFC has had several Judoka involved in it's competitions as well.

The fact of the matter is that these experienced Martial Artists are in the MMA competitions. Many of them have probably had some of the same training experiences as we all have. Why they don't apply the "complex" techniques must have a reason behind it.

[Kajukenbopr]

hey, not everyone is willing to take MMA and get pounded every week.

Training effectively in methods that dont take 10 years to get good at doesnt have to mean "getting pounded every week".

i know, but we were doing exagerations since it was said traditional martial arts take 10 years to learn

when it comes down to it, it takes about the same time to get good in both. However, you are talking about only training to fight, I am talking about also training the art.

[Kajukenbopr]

Competition MMA are strong and fast, however, if they took the time to develop more complex moves, they would be able to reach higher levels of effectivity.

however, they cant take 10 years to learn a martial art because most of them know how much time they would "lose"(time is money) if they did.

I don't really think this statement holds much water. There are many MMA practioners who have spent many years in other styles. Liddell is was a Kempo stylist. Any fighter with the last name Gracie has spent at least 10 years doing BJJ. PrideFC has had several Judoka involved in it's competitions as well.

The fact of the matter is that these experienced Martial Artists are in the MMA competitions. Many of them have probably had some of the same training experiences as we all have. Why they don't apply the "complex" techniques must have a reason behind it.

ok, take ur examples- you cant say someone who takes a MMA gets as good as a gracie in groundfighting. However, having properly trained in it, does make you a pro in that area.

Liddell took kenpo, trained properly, learned how to punch hard and fast, trained kickboxing and learned to push his body to harder resistance.

I know bouncers, big guys like in UFC, and they can in fact apply those hard to perform techniques- take hard hits and still fight AND do complex kung fu and judo techniques.

its not that the techniques CANT be performed, its just that they wont take the time to train for them.

[The BB of C]

What are your thoughts on this? Is it unrealistic to block and parry in a real fight? I mean blocking/parrying in the manner of classic Kung Fu/Wing Chun. Or is the only realistic defense in a fight, intercepting with another attack, or the blocking in European Boxing?

What do you think and whats your experience?

In my experience, they both work and it's always wise to block in any kind of fighting situation, you just have to do the right one when it's neccissary.

Kajukenbopr has a very good point in the post above me.

To Bushido_man96, the reason that they don't do a lot of complex techniques in Mixed Martial Arts or Ultimate Fighter Championship competitions is because a lot of them are illigal.

[bushido_man96]

I don't think that a complex move would essentially make it illegal. Look at a throat strike, for example. Not complex, but illegal for obvious reasons. I think the fact that is being overlooked is that many simple moves are just as efficient to do, and have a higher success rate.

[The BB of C]

What I meant by that is this; Look at Aikido. What is that style? It's a lot of intricate movements consisting of complex blocks, counters, pressure point strikes, usually ending with a wrist throw. I know that a lot of pressure point strikes and small joint manipulation (such as wrist throws) are illigal in full contact competitions like Mixed Martial Arts and Ultimate Fighter Championship.

There are a lot of other examples I could give (and kind of don't feel like it because I just woke up and am still feeling a bit lazy ), but I'll just stick with that. Hense, a lot of complex techniques are illigal.

However we're talking about real self defense. So it's a totally different story. But you understand what I'm going for, right?

[bushido_man96]

I do agree that there is a difference between self-defense and UFC. I will not argue that. Even though it is close to a real fight, the rules and surroundings make it not so.

Going back to the self-defense aspect; when the adrenaline is pumping, and the fine motor skills go out the window, so do a lot of those complex moves, I think. When you get all worked up, and your hands are shaking uncontrollably, you can see what I mean. The more complex the movements, the harder they will be to pull off.