Rainbow_Warrior Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Hey , what is your preffered take down ?Generally I choose to attemp a take down from the clinch , aimin´at the waist. Or traping legs from the clinch too (with my legs ).I find the shoot doble leg hard to achieve against a ´´good´´ grapler, or even single leg.... I have done those kind of takedowns to more unexperienced guys... Also I have a good sprawl...When I am taken down...usually its from clinch too.The fact of being heavy , with a non very flexible waist or low back may influence. Ie : I never was a good avoiding punches with my waist , its kinda rigid ( even when I was skinny and used to do just boxing) ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
ps1 Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Have you tried setting up the "T-position" from the clinch? There are plenty of great takedowns from that position. Plus, as they try to avoid it, they tend to leave the single leg and high croch open. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
bushido_man96 Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 I have only just begun working with takedowns, and I don't work much from the clinch (which I should). What I have preferred up to this point, is keeping upright as much as possible, and working a trip while stepping-driving through the opponent.Have you tried setting up the "T-position" from the clinch? There are plenty of great takedowns from that position. Plus, as they try to avoid it, they tend to leave the single leg and high croch open.What is this position? Could you elaborate a bit more for me? I am interested, since my experience in this area is very limited. Thanks in advance. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
Rainbow_Warrior Posted May 8, 2007 Author Posted May 8, 2007 Yes....I dont knot what T position is.... That maybe cuz my instructors do not talk english ...maybe we call it different ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
ps1 Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 I'm not sure my description is going to be great but here it goes. Let's start from the clinch. You have one overhook and one underhook. Now lower your level and move around your opponent toward your underhook. At the same time you use your overhook to retain the arm on the far side of the opponent. As you circle, your underhook slides around your opponent's back and cups his hip on the far side. You should now be positioned beside your opponent, exactly perpendicular to him. You should be easily controlling his hips and far arm. Your head remains in front and maintains inward pressure on the chest of the opponent. Your feet should be positioned in a stable base and your hips should keep pressure into the opponent. From here the opponent can either start to step away, hunker down as if to headlock you, or pull out the leg closest to you. This puts you in optimal positons for a trip throw, a sit down throw, a hip toss, and a single leg. As is usual, the toughest part is attaining the position. I hope this makes sense. Just ask more questions if it doesn't.Next week I'm going to be shooting some videos for you tube. I'll add it to my list and try to get examples up online soon. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
bushido_man96 Posted May 10, 2007 Posted May 10, 2007 Thanks, ps1. So, you move your legs and body around towards the underhooked side, but the head stays on the chest? It sounds kind of awkward. Am I understanding this right? https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
ps1 Posted May 10, 2007 Posted May 10, 2007 Thanks, ps1. So, you move your legs and body around towards the underhooked side, but the head stays on the chest? It sounds kind of awkward. Am I understanding this right?It's not awkward when you do it. You should feel as though you have much more control of the opponent. Your head (specifically your cheek) rests on the chest of the opponent because the other option is to put it in his armpit (ewww) or behind him. Plus, it gives you even more leverage into your opponent. I'll get that video done either tonight or Monday. That will help. It's difficult to describe. You guys will probably recognize the positioning immediately once you see it. "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenius."
Rainbow_Warrior Posted May 11, 2007 Author Posted May 11, 2007 Oh , gotcha ! I know what you mean . Yes..I use that often ... Tnx for the description.Well . we´ll wait 4 the vids ´´ The evil may win a round , but not the fight ´´
bushido_man96 Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Thanks, ps1. So, you move your legs and body around towards the underhooked side, but the head stays on the chest? It sounds kind of awkward. Am I understanding this right?It's not awkward when you do it. You should feel as though you have much more control of the opponent. Your head (specifically your cheek) rests on the chest of the opponent because the other option is to put it in his armpit (ewww) or behind him. Plus, it gives you even more leverage into your opponent. I'll get that video done either tonight or Monday. That will help. It's difficult to describe. You guys will probably recognize the positioning immediately once you see it.Cool, thanks, ps1. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
marie curie Posted May 11, 2007 Posted May 11, 2007 Koshi guruma!http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/koshiguruma.htm You suck-train harder.......................Don't block with your faceA good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving. -Lao Tzu
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