how to defend against kimbo

[straightblast]

Do not stand there and go toe to toe with him, we will see how he does against Ray Mercer.

[masterintraining]

i was wondering how someone like me who practices mantis kung-fu and am only 5-9 1/2 whould beat a streatboxer like kimbo

Whats your existing gameplan from your mantis kung-fu training?

Outspeed him. If you can connect a good, strong, high kick to his temple before he can block. You have a good chance of winning.

Personally, any sort of kick that didnt involve me driving my knee into the other persons leg, would be a last resort in any situation. Sure, if you connect with a strong high kick you might win. But thats a huge IF, and a risk i wouldnt be willing to take. Miss the kick, or hit him with little force and you make him angrier or end up on your back in a worse position than you started.

Think self-protection before self-defense. Sometimes not fighting is the best thing you can do to defend yourself.

I completely agree.

Back to the original question, how to deal with a kimbo like character? Firstly, these are organised events and the fights are usually for money. So obviously do get involved in organised fights. From there you have to ask when and why you would likely be attacked by such a person. Usually they will want something (money, your possessions, your body), or they will feel that you have offended them in some way (looking at there girlfriend, staring at them, bumping into them).

Now you begin to realise there are a whole load of things you can do before the fight even starts to avoid it happening. Having a well practiced gameplan is half the battle. Being able to execute it, is the rest.

Just a FYI, Kimbo has been defeated before, under interesting circumstances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LOIDj9TTfU&mode=related&search=

i have seen kimbo beaten before because the guy he faught was actually a pro, not a streetfighter, i think his name was sean gannon

my gameplan for a fight is to step 1.) TRY AND ALWAYS AVOID, to many crazy people out there who will kill for know reason, or fight dirty like trying to jump u. but if i cant avoid i will defend myself, 2.) in a fight i try to use many feints, and parry ( mantis side stepping), and fakeout moves

like fake backfist to head,and come down with a backfist, cross double punch move, to the stomach or groin( groin if i was forced to fight someone kimbo sized.) or a mantis side step to the side of them and hit them three times with a mantis backfist, cross,and come over with a elbow to temple with cross arm after it has made contact, or fake backfist( as u can see i LOVE the mantis backfist, i use it like boxers use the jab. ) snapkick, knee to the ribs/groin/stomach( again most likely groin if i can gat to it). If i am in a clinch i will try and use to double jump snapkicks, as i try and use my thumbs to press into the two pressure points located where ur arms bend.

i could list some more but i dont want to list all of my combos own the internet. But like i said this is assuming i am fighting someone like kimbo who fights like him, i do not think kimbo would ever choose to fight a 16 year old lol. just laugh at me and walk away, but chances are someone will only attack u if they think they have a 100% chance of winning, or own drugs, so i just choose to prepare for the worst by picking a fighter like kimbo he is almost as big as they come when it comes to fighter.

i also would not sit ther and keep fighting after i got him down to look coo.l After i knock him down or even stun him i am out of there! before he gits up gits angrier, or calls some friends and i end up like this. i also would use a weapon as a equelizer ( anything from a rock to a shoe to a branch i break of when the fight starts.) like i said i always try to avoid as best as i can, but hey some people will fight over anything even for something like they were board, or angry at someone else and u were around them.

[bushido_man96]

It sounds like you have a lot of combinations planned out already. What I think you should do is get someone to train with, and have them grab ahold of you, and start to attempting to pummel, throw, and otherwise beat you around. You may find that as the situation gets started that all of your pre-planning could be for naught.

Think simple techniques...leg kick, maybe to the knee. If he gets close to you, try to get a path to his throat or eyes. You don't want to take into account that everything that you throw is going to find home. Fighting is very sloppy, and is hardly ever clean. There is a reason why you don't see much "perfect technique" in a street fight.

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i have seen kimbo beaten before because the guy he faught was actually a pro, not a streetfighter, i think his name was sean gannon

Yep, i included a link to that video in my original post.

my gameplan for a fight is to step 1.) TRY AND ALWAYS AVOID, to many crazy people out there who will kill for know reason, or fight dirty like trying to jump u. but if i cant avoid i will defend myself

How much of your training time is spent working on confict avoidance and de-escalation? If you want to defend yourself against a kimbo like character(or anyone for that matter), working on this will help you much more than any technique.

2.) in a fight i try to use many feints, and parry ( mantis side stepping), and fakeout moves like fake backfist to head,and come down with a backfist, cross double punch move, to the stomach or groin( groin if i was forced to fight someone kimbo sized or a mantis side step to the side of them and hit them three times with a mantis backfist, cross,and come over with a elbow to temple with cross arm after it has made contact, or fake backfist( as u can see i LOVE the mantis backfist, i use it like boxers use the jab. ) snapkick, knee to the ribs/groin/stomach( again most likely groin if i can gat to it).

Feints are great for in class or competition, but in a self defence situation, why feint when you can be hurting the attacker? Sure a feint might set up for a damaging technique. But you can always do something more painful/uncomfortable to them then just feint.

If i am in a clinch i will try and use to double jump snapkicks, as i try and use my thumbs to press into the two pressure points located where ur arms bend.

Im finding it hard to picture this move. Double jump snapkicks? Ask yourself if kimbo is going to feel your pressure point techniques while he is busy throwing punches?

but chances are someone will only attack u if they think they have a 100% chance of winning, or own drugs, so i just choose to prepare for the worst by picking a fighter like kimbo he is almost as big as they come when it comes to fighter.

Definetly, this is an excillent approach.

i also would not sit ther and keep fighting after i got him down to look coo.l After i knock him down or even stun him i am out of there! before he gits up gits angrier, or calls some friends and i end up like this. i also would use a weapon as a equelizer ( anything from a rock to a shoe to a branch i break of when the fight starts.) like i said i always try to avoid as best as i can, but hey some people will fight over anything even for something like they were board, or angry at someone else and u were around them.

Excillent point.

[masterintraining]

well as for a clinch situation, i wrote down the wrong move, that technique is for defending against a choke with both hands. what i ment to write was if in a clinch i would use many knees to the ribs and stomach, or like i said earlier the groin if i can get to it, or a low toe kick to the groin, fallowed by a elbow to the temple after he is stunned.

[Rainbow_Warrior]

don't want to dance with anyone that big. I have to go to work the next day

Hey bushidoman, kimbo was a convict . I have readen he gained skills in prison fights . So , you may meet some guy like him at work

[bushido_man96]

don't want to dance with anyone that big. I have to go to work the next day

Hey bushidoman, kimbo was a convict . I have readen he gained skills in prison fights . So , you may meet some guy like him at work

That may be. That is why we are issued pepper spray and tasers.

[Rainbow_Warrior]

That may be. That is why we are issued pepper spray and tasers.

I would carry a mace bigger than a house deodorant if I ´d have to deal with Kimbo kind guys

[NightOwl]

This reminds me somewhat of Bob Sapp. Now mind, he didn't have near the fighting experience of this guy, but he is HUGE (I'd almost rather fight Shaq). UFC is great and all, but some of the world's top notch fighters are in other events too like PRIDE and K-1. When Sapp first came in, he dominated almost everyone, just out of sheer streangth and brutality. Eventually though, people discovered that his legs where a better target than his head (plus he has bad endurance), and even though he is a better fighter now then when he started, he doesn't clean up like he used to. For these kind of guys, you need to be an elite fighter- someone who, even though you are small, can take on the best. Someone like...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aczk-cp7Lu4

Looking at some Kimbo fights, he is kind of sloppy, but he can take and deal out so much punishment that to try and out punch him would be a VERY, VERY, bad idea...even for a good striker IMO. You'd want powerful kicks to the legs and good old fashioned grappling to finish off this beast.

[bushido_man96]

The thing about a street fight, though, is that you don't get the time to set them up, wear down their legs, and then dance around them until you knock them out. Street fights are often fast, brutal, and very quick. Your strategy would have to be a lot different than it would be in the ring.