Kicking the knee. What is best?

[Kempo_Dude]

Interesting, I never heard of that one...

 

Maybe its True.

 

 

[Martial_Artist]

Agreed, it is not as easy as film portrays it to be, breaking a knee. Also, breaking a board and breaking a knee are two different things. The follow-through on board-breaking is more of a physics concept necessary to push through the remaining boards and not related to actually breaking the board. Example: hold a board arm's length, drop it, and break it with a side kick; you won't do it unless there is a snap, regardless of how much follow-through you apply. Much is related to the knee strike(or any strike for that matter. Why limit yourself?). Follow-through is important in contact, but the snap does the damage. Otherwise, most of the time your follow-through turns into a push and looks impressive when you've moved the bag far or made your partner take a few steps back.

 

To YODA, I have kicked the knee with the intention of injuring it, however, not with the intention of breaking it. I have not found a situation that would justify me breaking a knee.(i.e. I would rather hit something else than try to break a knee) I did injure the knee exactly as I had planned and dislocated his patella.

 

Just a note, not wholly related to the topic, but that can be oddly construed as being related; when did a snap get the rep. as a weak attack? Your jab should be able to knock your opponent out just as well as your cross. The usage of each totally dependent on the situation. If you don't snap in you techniques you don't do much damage. Sure a cross that doesn't snap can knock a person out, but only if that person can't take a hit. At best it knocks them out because of the shock of being hit.(i.e. their brain cannot process what just happened and they black out) Otherwise they take the hit, get a black eye or busted lip and move on. Snap your punch into your opponent and you do damage. Snap you kick and you damage organs. Let me elaborate:

 

Have a partner hold a kicking pad for you. Now, kick it. Follow-through. Did your partner step back a few steps? Good. Now, kick it. Snap into it, put your hip and body weight behind aiming eight inches behind it. SNAP that pad hard. Did your partner jump back? Did he feel the hit on his person rather than an impact to the pad? If not you did it wrong. That is the difference.

 

NOTE:This is not the thread for this, but I do feel it somewhat related to the topic. Further discussion should be brought under a new thread.

[crazydee]

follow throught and destroy that knee. (For a roundhouse). dont believe me get some wood and try breaking it, once by snapping and one by going through. I wouldn't snap a round house if i was breaking a knee though. For a side kick or a front kick, since those a straight kicks I would snap them if close range but if i had some space and they guy was just standing their, I'd thrust all the way through. Then again, breaking a knee isnt as easy as it seems. I guess it be easy if they were sitting and had their leg straight propped on a chair and you just kicked it. but when they are actually standing upright and walking and the knee is not straight, it is different. If you don't think I'm right you can go around kicking people's knees until you find a version that works for you. JUST KIDDING. Seriously.

 

[ This Message was edited by: crazydee on 2002-06-01 18:30 ]

[Withers M.A.A.]

Just think of all the abuse your knees take. Jumping off things as a kid, slamming them on the pavement etc. Have you ever broken it? I didn't think so. So you can imagine the force required to break a knee.

 

However, to take a person down, then the knee is a good bet. There are many ways to attack the knee and depending on how the person is stand that will dicate the kick you use. I roundhouse to the side of the knee works great to get the person down on one knee. A side kick to the front of someones knee can cause great damage and cause the person to fall forward onto their hands and knees or their stomach.

 

Pete

 

 

[Bon]

Just a note, not wholly related to the topic, but that can be oddly construed as being related; when did a snap get the rep. as a weak attack? Your jab should be able to knock your opponent out just as well as your cross. The usage of each totally dependent on the situation. If you don't snap in you techniques you don't do much damage. Sure a cross that doesn't snap can knock a person out, but only if that person can't take a hit. At best it knocks them out because of the shock of being hit.(i.e. their brain cannot process what just happened and they black out) Otherwise they take the hit, get a black eye or busted lip and move on. Snap your punch into your opponent and you do damage. Snap you kick and you damage organs

 

I think is completely related to the topic and what we should be talking about rather than breaking someone's knee.

 

I agree completely, I couldn't explain it as well as that though. I haven't been taught a snap kick and a follow through as two different versions like most people seem to have on here. As far as I'm concerned, every one of my hits should have the potential to knock out, or at least drop someone if done properly and the target hit. The jab to me is a knockout punch, I don't see much point in using a technique if it's going to be weak. Using the jab to set your opponent up, or using it as a distraction is a different story and I agree with it since I do it myself too. But, to limit the jab to only that and say it doesn't have knockout power is wrong, I believe. Someone once told me if I'm going to hit someone, open with a jab, it gets them every time. As a naive kid, I decided to try it, I smacked the guy on the jaw, but since my jab was weak & I hadn't done much serious MA training, it didn't really do much. We proceeded to fight & I couldn't hit him once after that 'cause my hands were so damn slow. Now, if I hit that guy with the jab I've got now, I've no doubt he would have been knocked out, if not knocked out, then at the very least stunned and I'd be able to finish him with a cross or set myself up for kick.

 

I love the 'jabs', they are so much more quicker & closer to your opponent and knock out power is possible! I urge everyone to seriously consider them more than just a jab and to develop power with them.

 

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[ This Message was edited by: Bon on 2002-06-02 00:03 ]

[Bon]

F=ma, we can't defy the laws of physics. The follow through is just a method to make that 'snap' have more impact, since when we hit the target we are still trying to accelerate our kick to a point past the target, thus, giving us a greater force.

 

Also, the faster an object travels, the heavier it becomes as given by e=mc²

 

 

[ckdstudent]

It'd have to travel damn fast for relativity to kick in. Assuming your leg masses at 20kg, a kick which broke the sound barrier would increase the actual mass to 20.0001kg. Of course, if you're breaking the sound barrier then the kinetic energy your leg will be carrying would probably shatter their knee and tear away a large portion of the leg anyway.

 

 

[jahred]

> It'd have to travel damn fast for relativity to kick in.

 

 

 

[Knuth]

It is EXTREMLY diffilcult to break the knee but you can tear ligaments pretty easily by kicking from the outside of the knee to the inside. Any other direction will still do damage but going in this way does the most.

 

I had always believed that and after talking to several doctors who specialize in sports medicene tell me all about the ligaments and atachment my beliefs were reinforced.

 

 

[jiu-jitsu fighter]

i actually tried kicking someone in the knee once and i did it hard and the guy's knee went in and hit the ground, but he got back up like 2 minutes later, a strong roundhouse to the knee should do the trick if you want to break it