pressure points

[jdoub]

Greer-san,

 

I was not responding to your earlier statement. You appear to know what you are talking about. I was merely providing some links and a comment.

 

Cheers!!

 

John

 

 

[thaiboxerken]

Pressure points are not to be relied on. In a real fight, people don't feel pain. Stick with more solid and concrete methods like leverage and impact. If you are busy trying to win a fight with pressure points, you are in for a sad loss. Use pressure points only if you are desperate and trying to get out of a bad grappling situation.... which means you should've taken Jujitsu.

 

 

[jdoub]

thaiboxerken-san,

On 2001-08-06 09:07, thaiboxerken wrote:

 

Pressure points are not to be relied on. In a real fight, people don't feel pain.

 

I have not found that to be a true or an absolute statement. If hit in the right place with the right amount of force, pain is felt. All fighting is submission fighting - sometimes a person's body does the tap out for them when they cannot.

On 2001-08-06 09:07, thaiboxerken wrote:

 

If you are busy trying to win a fight with pressure points, you are in for a sad loss. Use pressure points only if you are desperate and trying to get out of a bad grappling situation

 

Again, I have not found that to be a true or an absolute statement. If your training already incorporates the techniques, then it is all a part of what is going down. If you are "desperate" it is probably too late for much more than kissing it good-bye anyway. It is all about how you train and what you train to do.

 

Cheers!!

 

John

 

 

[thaiboxerken]

There are no absolutes in a fight, but I am talking about most cases. Pressure points will get a person hurt in a fight, if relied upon. Gross body mechanic type movements are what will win a fight. The basics win. Jab, cross, hook and right kick is working well for me. Getting all fancy is fun in sparring, but when the fight is on, the basics are what will make or break you.

 

As for pressure points, I have yet to have them done to me effectively, even by the "experts". Maybe someone will change my mind someday, but if they can't get it to work on me when I'm letting it happen, then something is wrong.

[jdoub]

thaiboxerken-san,

 

I agree with you on there being no absolutes in combat. To be a "specialist" in anything - to be too reliant on any one thing - will get a person hurt in a fight.

 

The basics work, the basics are found in kata, the places that you strike on the body are part of the basics, and it is just a matter of practice. Or so this has been my experience.

 

As for "experts" not being able to make it work, some of them have never been in the "real deal" and cannot work outside of a seminar setting. The guys that can show are out there and they can help show you how to make it work in your system.

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond!!

 

John

 

 

[shortdog]

no fight is ever fair, they might have a weapon, or be 2 or more. or they will fight dirty. if you are in a street fight, you job is to not get killed. there are 2 ways to do this. kill them (BAD CHOICE!) or hurt them enough to make them rethink about hurting you. pressure points and locks do this very well. he comes at you with a lead pipe. you dodge out of the way and hit him with suffecient force in the neck, he wont be able to attack you any more.

 

 

 

SHORTDOG

 

 

[Iron Arahat]

Pressure points are not to be relied on. In a real fight, people don't feel pain. Stick with more solid and concrete methods like leverage and impact. If you are busy trying to win a fight with pressure points, you are in for a sad loss.

 

I disagree in a real fight people do feel pain. Pressure points are a very effective means of dealing with a confrontation. Pressure point tactics if used properly can make a big difference.

 

In the real world I don't want to stand toe-to-toe and exchange blows. If pressure point tactics were not effective, they wouldn't be taught to law enforcement personnel, as an effective means of control.

[StephenBaker]

Greetings,

 

Just wanted to add my two cents here. I used to train with one of Taika Oyata's students during my college years. This very nice gentleman could not have weighed more than 134 lbs. At 250 lbs, and with some Muay Thai experience, I was not visually intimidated. I learned quickly. When demonstrating a technique we were told to really throw at him. He could send bolts of lighting up and down my body. From a practical perspective, one or two strikes on my arms would send them hanging to my side useless before I could retract them. I agree with the prior statement that if its in your training then they are useful. The techniques are not mastered overnight. As for street effectiveness, I am a believer.

 

Regards

[devilthaiboxer]

Pressure point are taught and used in many arts but alot of people just dont realise it take for xample the basic revese punch in karate.We are taught to aim for either the solar plexus ( if u get hit with a bit of force there no matter how much of a hard guy u mite be its gonna wind u)if aimed at the face we are taught to hit the bridge of the nose (causing swellin of the sinuses or somthing like that makes your eyes water and sting a helluva lot)or the groin (i need not xplain even for women it hurts cos of all the nervesdown there).Even in muay thai there are pressure point used like the inside thigh low roundhouse is a strike to a pressure point and even wen ure pumped full of adrenaline it can be temporarily crippling to be hit der cos your legs gos numb for about 5 second which is all dat is usually neededto end a fight>