Legitimate Ninjitsu?

[shinnekodo]

When I took ninjutsu, ever so briefly for about 3 months, taught by someone affiliated with the Bujinkan style, their unarmed system was called budo taijutsu.

[NightOwl]

alrighty, more NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAA information. Pizza provided later.

Here is taijutsu in a 'sparring' situation (that's what they say at least...I personally think that it is more or less of a set up situation):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBJb3YG5Ktc&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinLk4yIxNQ&mode=related&search=

And here are training segments, etc. My problem is that it is way too choreographed...you can start off like that but you need to practice against someone actually hitting back/resisting. Also notice the weapon 'tricks' rolling, basic throws, the totally sweet ninja taking out an armed attacker with streamers, and the varying speeds of the different classes:

http://taijutsu.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPd4FEKASJQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpCb1dkk40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45vOvs3X7eQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujiCwM23ZM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieBJRH-lTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jOMc9R4Ak&mode=related&search=

Anyone practice BT on these boards and know if they add in resisting at higher levels?

[bushido_man96]

I was unable to view the last string of videos, however, the first two did look like they were set up. The attacker did not attack very much. Also, I would like to see that leg sweep in a bar or in UFC.

[Dazed and Confused]

Cheers for all that NightOwl, quite a varied bunch there. Some of it did very, very little to inspire confidence, and as you said even the more impressive displays were done at extremely slow speed... I'm not convinced!

Oh well, I can go along and see next week!

I advise everyone watch

that Night Owl posted, I've never seen silly string and flour used to such devastating effect.

[bushido_man96]

Oh, yeah. Forget all my years of training; I'm moving up to flour bags!!!

Edited January 2, 2007 by bushido_man96

[some0ne]

I have personally trained with 3 Bujinkan yudansha in Muay Thai and BJJ. One is a yondan, one is a nidan, and the other was a shodan. I know that the Yondan and the nidan received there rank from Hatsumi, so I don't think it's really that frowned upon to cross train.

[NightOwl]

http://taijutsu.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPd4FEKASJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpCb1dkk40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45vOvs3X7eQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujiCwM23ZM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieBJRH-lTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jOMc9R4Ak&mode=related&search=

Hopefully that cleaned up the links a little bit. And I do appreciate your input Some0ne, goodness knows that more experienced persons with this group is needed for a well balanced overview. The particular place that I know of is not too fond of cross-training...but I did link earlier to a dojo that DID do cross training with sparring and a little boxing to incorperate Taijutsu in a situation where your opponent is resisting and actually hitting back (about 6 or so posts back I belive). I still maintain that I could see some of the techniques used in an actual combat situation, and the canadian place seemed to move at a faster and more realistic pace. My problem is that a large percentage of the time the techniques are practiced way too stiffly against someone who throws usually just one attack (mind you alot of MAs don't set you up for a real situation...but sometimes it seems like it was made for exhibition...see the old guy with the string). I still have an intrest in the art (I will probally check out Dr. Hatsumi's academy when I move to Japan later this year) and I still say check it out but keep in mind that for SD you will need to practice in a sparring/resisting situation which some Budo Taijitsu places DO offer (and it seemes like your friends are suplementing their training nicely by incorperating Muay Tai and BJJ...have you noticed them slip in any BT moves?) but alot of them seem not to.