Gi VS clothing

[NightOwl]

What Gi techniques (Judo or BJJ) would work well with clothing like a t-shirt? I'd imagine that some trtanslate well and others don't, how about some of the more common attacks?

[ps1]

Generally, the thicker the clothing the more likely a gi technique is to work. Jeans are very similar to gi pants. Tee shirts not so much. Some sweat shirts are great to choke with and jackets are beautiful. But from the mount, your attacks to the collar become punches and elbows instead. This will give the same effect of having the opponent expose their arms to attack. And, of course, cause some damage.

Still, your most effective techniqes tend to be universally applicable. Rear Naked Choke, Knee in the belly sweep series, arm bars and so on.

Hope that's helpful.

[tropical_fishy]

The way I've always learned, it's highly frowned upon to grab a tshirt in a street fight for any kind of hold because tshirts just rip too easily. Any kind of joint manipulation that doesn't require grabbing cloth is cool-- americanas, arm bars, knee bars, ankle locks, that kind of thing. As far as chokes go, don't even try to grab a tshirt to apply a choke, you're wasting your energy. Anything where you grab your own wrists or theirs is better. Oh, triangles are good too.

[bushido_man96]

Although I am not all that experienced in throwing or grappling, I do have something to add. I feel that it is important to train in shirts from time to time so that you can learn to adapt the grips from gi to, say, getting a grip on the body itself, like grasping around the back to cup your hand on the hip, or hooking your hand up through the armpit and around the shoulder, in order to secure a hold to throw.

Just my two cents.

[DoNkEySlAyEr]

You can use almost any gi choke on a t-shirt or even a wife beater, you just have to grab a LOT of it, usually (depending on the particular choke) for it to work.

[bushido_man96]

You can use almost any gi choke on a t-shirt or even a wife beater, you just have to grab a LOT of it, usually (depending on the particular choke) for it to work.

Do you think that the lighter material could end up tearing in the process, though?

[ps1]

You can use almost any gi choke on a t-shirt or even a wife beater, you just have to grab a LOT of it, usually (depending on the particular choke) for it to work.

Do you think that the lighter material could end up tearing in the process, though?

It might. But it might not. I think it would be more likely to just stretch alot and not be quite as effective, especially with a tank top. But in a bad situation, everything is worth trying.

[bushido_man96]

You can use almost any gi choke on a t-shirt or even a wife beater, you just have to grab a LOT of it, usually (depending on the particular choke) for it to work.

Do you think that the lighter material could end up tearing in the process, though?

It might. But it might not. I think it would be more likely to just stretch alot and not be quite as effective, especially with a tank top. But in a bad situation, everything is worth trying.

A very good point. Have you ever done any no-gi competitions, where you have to modify everything completely? And I don't mean no-gi, but with a tee shirt...I mean, like, only shorts on, I guess.

[ps1]

Yeah. I usually wear some sort of "under armor" when I grapple no-gi. So there's no way to grip the material. It does eliminate many different aspects of the sport. Getting ahold of any appendage is much more difficult and requires good set ups. Size tends to be more of a factor as well. Some of the chokes are still available but are modified using monkey grips and often become more like neck cranks (which I don't personally like to use on anyone due to pain compliance and injury being a nearly identical levels of torque). In general, when the gi comes off the game moves alot faster and there are alot more scrambles.

[bushido_man96]

Thanks for the info, ps1. Which you do you enjoy the most: gi, no-gi, or otherwise?