which grappling style for self defence?

[Sinbad]

Hi, looking for some advice. I train in karate and want to cross train in a grappling art. I wondered what the relative merits of a predominantly ground based style like BJJ were for self defence compared to one that focuses more on standup throws like judo?

 

I know BJJ guys train predominantly for the ground so once the fight goes to the ground, they rule. However, to gear this for self defence, presumably you would have to practise with strikes a lot of the time. Do most people here do this? Also, does grappling on concrete rather than a mat affect the guard much? Also, one of my main thoughts for self defence is to make sure I DON'T go to the ground and I figured something like judo would help me stay on my feet while helping my attacker to lose his

 

Finally, do any of the BJJ guys here find they can pull off the arm locks, chokes etc that you use so effectively on the ground when grappling standing up against a resisting opponent?

 

I'm not trying to diss BJJ - I know it is an effective style. Just trying to find out which would be best for me in a self defence setting.

[tessone]

I can't speak for purely grappling arts, but if there's a school in your area, you might check out KSW. It's a fairly comprehensive system and you'll get to add not just grappling, but kicks and a number of other things to your karate.

 

 

[Bon]

I can't really comment on judo, I've only had 1 or 2 lessons in it.

 

But, in BJJ you drill a technique over and over so you learn it. Then you have the live sparring, where you get to practice your techniques on a resisting opponent. Generally, a higher belt can make a lower belt tap with relative ease. A white belt could easy apply the techniques on someone who's never had any grappling experience.

 

The guard is very different on the cement, you wouldn't want to put someone in your guard on the cement, you'd be looking for a knee on stomach or something..

 

 

[YODA]

I agree on the cement issue - knee mount is a great place to be

 

It's adviseable to experience the guard on a hard surface - if your opponent is bigger & stronger than you there is a good chance you will end up there either by design or not. This is why they work the guard so much in BJJ - It happens!

 

 

[Bon]

You serious ?!

 

I don't really feel like getting my back scraped for the hell of it, if I end up on the ground with a guy in my guard I'll worry about it then, the adrenalin'll take me through I hope..

 

 

[YODA]

"You serious ?"

 

Yes - I'm serious.

 

I'm not saying it should be a regular part of your training but you should experience it. You should also experience...

 

Grappling on loose sand...

 

... In the rain

 

... Wearing very heavy & restrictive clothing

 

... In the dark

 

... In a confined space

 

... Against more than one person

 

... With weaponry involved

 

..... and many more!

 

Each one of the above changes the game. If real world self protection skills are one of your goals then you need to address these issues.

 

 

[jiu-jitsu fighter]

good point yoda, never thought of it like that. and yes, sure you don't wanna pull guard in the street, in a perfect world , you won't have to , but its necessary for alot of situations. and yes i can see myself using chokes and jointlocks in a fight , absolutely.

 

bjj was custom made for the street. and just because people don't think of stand-up stuff when it comes to bjj, theres plenty to be found.

 

like shoulder throws,hip throws, and plenty of sweeps. and when bjj practice throws, they only care about, the guy being beaten, not about which one looks better and can get them more points like in judo.

[Kensai]

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[craknek]

I know some people are gonna laugh.. but Combat Hapkido.

 

Combat Hapkido has all sorts of throws and takedowns, as well as close quarter strikes.

 

Grandmaster Pelligrini also removed most of the useless high kicks and instead incorporated a complete ground grappling system. Many say, for real world use, it is one of the best arts to learn.

 

Its also full of counters which is a good thing.

 

Nick D.

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