bushido_man96 Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 A hook HAS to be executed with the leading hand to be called that. At least during my 9 years of boxing that was the common usage. That's what I learned. A curved punch done with the back hand is either an overhand (over the top), an uppercut (under) or (what most people throw) a haymaker. With the trailing hand, you cannot bend the arm so much because the traling hand, by definition, is far away from the opponent. A properly bent hook done with the trailing hand wont even hit the target. Look it up.Rear hand hook: http://seaford.abc.users.btopenworld.com/rear_hook_Head.htm https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
cathal Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Cathal,A hook is an horizontal punch that goes around the guard of the opponent, either over the guard (to the head), or under (to the body, ribs, kidney, liver, etc). When thrown from up close the hips move first, when thrown from far away the hand moves first. It is done with a bent arm, and because of this, it only reaches the target effectively if done with the leading hand. If the feet are squared up, then either hand can throw a hook, I guess, but squared up is something boxers dont do very much since it leaves many openings.The cross is an (usually) straight punch done with the trailing hand, but it can be slightly looping in order to reach the target. or, at least, this is how I learned when I did it.Thanks .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu
juey palancu Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Bushido man,The sequence of events described in that website are akin to squaring up the feet. Many trainers, including the ones I worked wiht would disagree with calling that a 'rear hand hook' since the hand would not be 'rear' anymore.but, really, it is a matter of semantics.best,Gero
bushido_man96 Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 Bushido man,The sequence of events described in that website are akin to squaring up the feet. Many trainers, including the ones I worked wiht would disagree with calling that a 'rear hand hook' since the hand would not be 'rear' anymore.but, really, it is a matter of semantics.best,GeroI don't see why it woundn't be a rear hand hook, because he doesn't square up his feet in the video clip. He maintains his stance.I understand what you are saying, but you don't have to square up to throw the rear hook if you are close enough to the opponent. When I work on the bag, I throw front and rear hooks. I feel it is a matter of technique, and you must be in position to use it correctly, like any technique. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
juey palancu Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 Oh, the video. I only read the sequences, didnt watch the videos before.I dont consider those proper hooks. One is a short overhand right, while the other is a shovel-hook/uppercut hybrid. My opinion.That said, many bozers have made careers of throwing punches that are non-textbook, so if it knocks the opponent out, they can call it whatever they want for all I care!!I agree with you, though, that position is everything in boxing (and all martial arts for that matter).best,Gero
DoNkEySlAyEr Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Depends on how far away your target is. Why's it called a signature if all I can do is type it?
kangaroo Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 I would say to point the fingers to the ground. I think there's too much risk of bending the wrist and too much restriction on power if the fingers are pointing back.
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