Reference Source of Kiyai Positions in Bojutstu Katas

[zprozio]

Does anyone have a good reference source for kiyai positions in Bojutstu Katas?

[lordtariel]

It depends on your kata, I know three different katas, and the kiais are all in different spots with different moves. What katas are you referring to?

I hope that's what you're reffering to and kiyai isn't an actual term for something. I wouldn't be able to help you there.

[zprozio]

lordtariel, thank you for the reply.

There are four traditional bo kata I have practiced, but am unsure as to the position of the kiyais: (1) Sueyoshi-No-Kon (Shodan); (2) Sakugawa-No-Kon (Nidan); (3) Shirotaru-No-Kon (Sandan); and (4) Matsukase-No-Kon (Yodan). I have found photographic depictions of these katas online. They can be seen at the following URLs, respectively:

(1) http://www.shotokaionline.com/z_kataegami/Sueyoshi_no_kon/sueyoshi1.htm

(2) http://www.shotokaionline.com/z_kataegami/sakugawa_no_kon/sakugawa_no_kon1.htm

(3) http://www.shotokaionline.com/z_kataegami/shirotaru_no_kon/shirotaru_no_kon1.htm; and

(4) http://www.shotokaionline.com/z_kataegami/matsukaze_no_kon/matsukase_no_kon1.htm.

[These photos were taken from the Cir. 1974 Egami/Aoki manual Kata for Professionals]. I actually own a copy of this volume and am fairly certain it contains information regarding the location of each kiyai, but unfortunately it is in Japanese and I cannot read it.

I also have practiced two additional bojutsu katas called Hino and Kazeno, but I do not believe these are traditional katas and are really used as teaching tools, so confirming the location of the kiyais may be pointless.

[lordtariel]

Unfortunatly, I do not know any of those katas... I know one called Shu shi no kon(sho and dai) as well as rohai no kon I'd try and see if you can find videos on the web of these katas on places like youtube and other video hosting sites. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

[Rick_72]

I always find it hard to follow kata from pictures, because I don't get to see the transitions, and turns very well.

We have a Bojutsu kata that we do, but its just a combination of Bo Shodan, and Bo Nidan. Bo Nidan coming first, than transitioning into Bo Shodan. The kias are in the same place as they are with the individual katas in that one.

[zprozio]

Thanks to you two for your replies.

lordtariel, thank you for that suggestion. I hadn't thought of utube and the like. I'll check it out.

Rick, I know what you mean: Pictures are difficult to work from although the pictures together with the foot patterns make it easier in the Egami/Aoki volume (though, admittedly, they are not particularly useful in the pages to which I linked because they are so faded, they are nearly impossible to see).

[zprozio]

I found the answers and wanted to share them. There is only one kiyai per Bo Kata in this style. In the katas identified above, those Kiyais are as follows:

(1) Sueyoshi-No-Kon: Last move of the kata (i.e., the strike in kibadachi depicted on page 7, column 2, row 2 of the reference pictures);

(2) Sakugawa-No-Kon: On the second of the two double tsukis (i.e., in the strike depicted on page 17, column 2, first row of that column of the reference pictures);

(3) Shirotaru-No-Kon: On the landing after the jump as the practitioner executes gedan level counter attack (i.e., at the point depicted on page 16, column 1, row 3 of the reference pictures); and

(4) Matsukase-No-Kon: At the flying ushiro tsuki(i.e., at the point depicted on page 16, column 1, row 2 of the reference pictures).