BJJ in a real fight

[Treebranch]

You're right about many BJJ practitioner, they forget they can get up and are too busy looking for locks and chokes. I just feel that BJJ has more weapons for defense in a case when you are exhausted and can't make explosive movements to get out. Wrestlers almost always give their backs on the ground and give their necks when they shoot. I'll feel BJJ is a true martial art. Wrestling in it's pure form is awesome, but size matters way too much with wrestling. I weigh about 220lbs, small wrestler isn't going to be very successful dealing with me. I've rolled with small guys in BJJ that had mad skills and gave me lots of trouble.

But I do agree that getting up and avoiding the take down is what's really important in a real situation.

Judo and Stand up Jujitsu are great for that sort of thing.

Cheers.

[ShoriKid]

BJJ can be fine when you've resiegned yourself to staying on the ground. While it does have a large defensive tool box, the training methodology needs to be altered from the standard sport oriented play that way too many places are falling into. Competition can be good for growth, but it doesn't need to be the focus if the goal is self defense.

Your smaller BJJ guys who are giving you fits are doing so because they have a lot higher skill level than you do. Once you've got a fair amount of skill, your size advantage can come back into play. Just think of what it's like to roll with guys that much smaller and of a similar skill level to you. You should be controling and subing them at will.

Just as your BJJ brothers with higher skill level give you fits, I've seen skilled 145s put the hurt on a guy walking around at your size. It was about skill, leverage and speed. No matter what a lot of people try to play it off as, wrestling is a highly developed martial skill. It's not that size matters, it's that maximal strength per-pound is important. The reason wrestlers try to be a strong as they can is not because they rely on it to get things done. It comes down to competitive edge. When your matched closely in weight, and because of school divisional ranking, skill level, you need an advantage. Just like in MMA being as strong as you can, or as well conditioned is an advantage, and you seek those out in competition.

Do wrestlers give up their back easily? Yes, compaired to BJJ guys. But, they dominate stand up grappling and much of the take down work. They will also move quickly to get back to top position. Minimal training helps compensate here. Same with 'sticking" their necks out. Though I was taught to keep the head tight to the body when you go in so it's harder to cross-face you out. The head will come up and out when turning the person for a hard take down though. Again, minimal retraining to take care of this. Wrestling is, by those not initiated, often over looked for it's martial application and self-defense value.

There are plenty of over looked arts though. Judo gets past over many times as combat applicable. Shame really. Too many people miss out on really good stuff because they don't think it has any use. Or, saddly, that they just don't need that aspect of the martial arts. Hard leason to learn for some people.

[bushido_man96]

Wrestling in it's pure form is awesome, but size matters way too much with wrestling. I weigh about 220lbs, small wrestler isn't going to be very successful dealing with me. I've rolled with small guys in BJJ that had mad skills and gave me lots of trouble.

The reason that it is assumed that size matters too much in Wrestling is because of the weight classes and the goal of the competitions, which is to pin someone. The bigger you are, the easier it is going to be to hold down a smaller person's back to the mat for just a second to get a pin. However, if you modify the rules of Wrestling, and tell them that it is ok to be on your back, and just work your way out, then you will see a massive difference.

No matter what a lot of people try to play it off as, wrestling is a highly developed martial skill. It's not that size matters, it's that maximal strength per-pound is important. The reason wrestlers try to be a strong as they can is not because they rely on it to get things done. It comes down to competitive edge. When your matched closely in weight, and because of school divisional ranking, skill level, you need an advantage. Just like in MMA being as strong as you can, or as well conditioned is an advantage, and you seek those out in competition.

I could not agree with this statement more. Very good points.