Last Move of Choon Gun

[scottnshelly]

I’ve always been curious about the last two moves in Choon Gun. I understand that it’s a staff block, but it doesn’t seem to make sense as an ending move. I feel really awkward, leaning over, opening up so much and not following up with a strike.

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Is that supposed to be a staff block? Are there other possible applications for this move? Is there a symbolic meaning for it being there?

Thanks.

[bushido_man96]

Ok, picture this:

1. the first staff block--don't think of it that way--think of it as an entering move--the low hand is grabbing between the legs, and the high hand is getting on a shoulder or under an arm.

2. the transition to the second staff block--step with the opposite foot to bring them together and load the attacker onto your shoulders.

3. the second staff block--you dump the attacker on the ground.

I just put that together, trying to think of bunkai to apply to these TKD forms. What do you think?

[Zorbasan]

oh wow.

its been so long since i have done ITF forms. can anyone point me to a website that has videos or diagrams for them?

anyway, bunkai is only a relatively new concept for me, as in the 10 to 11 years of tkd we never did it, but now in shotokan its a key part of the grading.

from what i have done of bunkai, is that it is a loose translation of the kata, not a replication, so you are permitted to change moves and steps slightly. therefore, with the double staff block could be a throat grab and a mid punch or something like that.

if there is one thing i have learnt its to step outside the box.

[MisterRadley]

Zorbasan, here's a website with ITF forms. http://www.natkd.com/natkd_forms

bushido_man96, I really like your interpertation of the staff blocks.

[bushido_man96]

Zorbasan, here's a website with ITF forms. http://www.natkd.com/natkd_forms

bushido_man96, I really like your interpertation of the staff blocks.

Thanks, MisterRadley! Just came off of the top of my head. Reading some Iain Abernethy helped with that one.

[mcmillintkd]

The book "Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul: Real Applications to the ITF patterns Volume 1" would seem to answer many of these questions. I do not recommend a lot of TKD books but this one is at the top of the list.

[Zorbasan]

sounds like a decent book, might look in to it.

[MisterRadley]

The book "Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul: Real Applications to the ITF patterns Volume 1" would seem to answer many of these questions. I do not recommend a lot of TKD books but this one is at the top of the list.

Sounds pretty good. Thanks for the info!

[Zorbasan]

fantastic site, i just had a chance to look at the videos. its incredible how even tho choong moo is the only one i can remember frmo my itf days, as soon as i saw them start i could remember how they go.

gonna start practising these again i rekon. cant know too much. that will give me the itf patterns (cant remember what they are called) the wtf taegeuks and up to hean yondan in shotokan.

[bushido_man96]

The book "Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul: Real Applications to the ITF patterns Volume 1" would seem to answer many of these questions. I do not recommend a lot of TKD books but this one is at the top of the list.

I just purchased this book, and it came in the mail this last week. I flipped to the back of the book, to check out these moves of this form, and it shows some very cool interpretations. It shows the hooking punch used as a choke hold, using the stepping and twisting motion to cinch up and control the opponent, and then the staff block is used as a stepping out move, and the hands go forward to throw the opponent to the ground.

There are several other applications as well, and this book is pretty indepth, with good photos, even though they are black and white. The more I learn, the more I will probably post.